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QUOTE(JimH @ May 3, 2005 -> 04:30 PM) Guys, does anyone think Burke will stay after Harris comes back off bereavement leave? Lopez could easily go down and probably will, right? So, Burke would essentially take Ross Gload's place for the time being. Or maybe longer? Burke can play 1B. Thoughts? Not saying good or bad, just speculating. Most likely. With Uribe back the need for Lopez is decreased

QUOTE(Steff @ May 3, 2005 -> 09:13 AM) Taking the little one tonight.. I hope Mark is his usual fast self.. I took my little guy on Sunday and he got a free jersey. He hasn't taken it off. He's 4 and lasted until the 7th. Iwas happy with that.

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ May 2, 2005 -> 09:56 PM) Millar hasn't homered yet this year and he's not very good at first but he'd be a fun guy to have around here and could come up with some big hits He was with the Kane County Cougars when I was there. He is a great guy. Did you know he is is not part of the union because he crossed the line during the strike.

Will the chronic hip problem be a factor as it was with Black Jack's FA market? It's probably not as important but if you are going to sign a long term deal (more than 4 years) it should be consideration. Welcome

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ May 2, 2005 -> 09:30 PM) add cyclists to the track guys and you can clearly see that the stereotype of the muscle-bound juicer is a small fragment of the using population. Does anybody blood test? I haven't heard of businesses doing that too much The the IOC uses it for the olmpics and track and field will use it for big international meets like pan am games. Cycling and distance running will also use it for big events but this is more to catch blood dopers like Lance Armstrong was accussed of doing a couple of years ago. Other than that no organized sports uses it that I know of. Does anyone else know of any?

Steroids will help with pitchers. Most of the power from pitching comes from the lower extremities. The speed of the ball is developed from the power and velocity of the lower extremities through the trunk to the arm. Remember steroids can help with speed as well as force. This is why sprinters in track and field are one of the demographics most frequently caught. As I said in another thread players using HGH will never get caught until they begin using blood tests. The wealthy and better players who can afford them will continue to take them.

To address the original question: should uppers be banned, I would say yes. The are and always have been used in pro sports particularly baseball. The do enhance performance artifically and are illegal. Games after late night travel, day games after long night games are all effectede by uppers. They are unhealthy and may very well contribute to some of the behavior on the field. On a side note, performance enhancment will never go away until blood testing is done. Do you want to know why very few big name players will test positive? They can afford the HGH which can only be found through a blood test and is too expensive for the lower paid athletes.

QUOTE(chunk23 @ May 2, 2005 -> 03:53 PM) That's very exciting. How common is the shockwave treatment that they didn't use it until now? The shock wave is very UNCOMMON for tendonitis. It is more common for things like heel spurs and plantar fascitis. He has had plantar fasciitis in the foot before so maybe that has returned and that is why they did it. I have seen it used in tendons but it is very last resort and leads me to believe the problem is still very serious.

QUOTE(CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ May 1, 2005 -> 05:48 PM) Since when do you have to be a great player to know hitting theory ? Look around the majors , hitting coaches typically were not great players. Greg Walker wasn't a great player . Charlie Lau and Walt Hriniak were considered great batting coaches and they didn't do squat in the majors. It takes talent to be a superstar, it takes knowledge to coach. Don't get the two mixed up. An observation from pro sports. The best coaches/mangers were fringe or average players. My theory is that they had to be fundamentally sound and think through the game more than the superstars. The superstars had more God given talent but the fringe players had that extra something that they learned. Of course it could be that the superstars made more money and don't need to manage or coach.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ May 1, 2005 -> 06:10 PM) Great so we can still possibly see him vs the CHC in late June. That's what I'm hoping. It's poissible. Tendonitis is tricky. It can resolve as quickly as it shows up or it can be a lifetime problem.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ May 1, 2005 -> 11:36 AM) Ok that's obviously a worse case scenario. Do you have a best case? Sure, the best would be that the shockwave works and he restsabout a week. The tendon begins to heal and with the rehab is running mostly painfree in about 2 weeks. After that he begins his minor league assignment. That is probably the best. However the fact that they needed to do the shockwave means the tendonitis is far along. I would say that a mid-June return is probably the best we could hope for but a July is probably the most realistic. Again this is all conjucture on my part but with the info out there, it all seems reasonable.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Apr 28, 2005 -> 11:53 AM) ptatc your insight will come in handy here. From all the reports I've read & I'm sure others have read as well, Frank had little to no problem with light running. Jogging or treadmill work if you will. That's why his optimism was saying mid-April back in Feb & even Mar. But then he tried doing some sprints & that's where the pain showed up. As you eluded to they are doing all they can to treat that pain. Is there any hope in the fact that he can jog but he can't sprint? Does the idea of playing with pain risk further injury? The problem he is having, hopefully is really unrelated to the original injury. What has happened is that he has developed tendonitis in the tendons on the inside of hisn foot due to the workouts. This is not a "no pain no gain situation" There is normal pain after surgery during rehab. Frank is far beyond that. This is pain that will not allow him to run without suffering consequences that day or the next. It is painful to the point that he will not be able to put much weight on it. So the light jogging may not cause pain but he will not be able to run to first without problems occurring then or later. The irony of the shockwave therapy is that is the same procedure Maggs had on his knee. The difference is that it is approved in the US for sfot tissue problems mostly in the foot but not bone problems. Maggs had a high dose treatment where he was put under anesthetic. I'm not sure if Frank had this or the low dose version where he is awake. The purpose is to cause microtrauma to the tissue to increase blood flow and stimulate healing. This is somewhat of a last try thing before he must be shut down for a long period of time. Hopefully they give the tendon time to rest and heal then continue with the rehab. As I have previously said with his history of foot problems they need to very careful with this otherwise it could become a permanent problem and career threatening.

QUOTE(The Critic @ Apr 28, 2005 -> 10:09 AM) Damn right I have a problem with the strike zone. It's a complete joke, and it's half the reason for the overuse of bullpens across baseball. WAY too many unnecessary pitches being thrown for the simple reason that umpires have lost the strike zone. And yeah, if it's a rule, CALL IT. If you're not going to call it, legalize it. I don't care if the play happens in the first 10 seconds ( or first pitch ) or the last 10 seconds ( or last out ). Call it every goddamned time, and eventually the players will either adapt or fail miserably and be gone. I don't care how it affects the game in the short term - the game adapted away from the proper strike zone, it can adapt back. Hardline? yep. Unrealistic? Maybe. Probably, unfortunately. I agree with everything you said. But as you also state it's probably unrealistic that anything will change and we will always have moments like yesterdays because there is judgement where there should be consistency.

QUOTE(The Critic @ Apr 28, 2005 -> 09:08 AM) I'm more upset when a call isn't made than when it is. The fact that it's not made on other players is irrelevant to me in this instance. In this case, the umpire was correct and that's all that matters to me. Crede's selfish reaction after the popup is far more troubling to me, because it shows that he let the ump get in his head when he was in the wrong. Still, that play didn't cost them this game. The offense was pathetic yesterday, and the defense was too. Then I must assume you have a problem with every pitch between the belt and the armpits called a ball. The umps have selectively lowered the strike zone so it isn't in agreement with the rule book. Do you also agree that any holding in football should always be called even if it' far away from the play? This occurs all the time where if it doesn't effect the play the NFL refs won't call it, otherwise games would be 5 hours long. Any way you look at it, it is the right call but they rarely call it. Wendelstedt used it to get at Ozzie for calling him a liar and knew he could get away with it because it really is the right call. Hopefully the Sox just go get Detriot and not let this send them into a death spiral for the season.

QUOTE(TLAK @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 04:52 PM) I guess those umps are geat mind readers. Oakland hit 5 batters (one after a warning) but nobody gets tossed. The vibes must have said it was unintentional. Then Crede gets hit and the ump just knows he was leaning into it. from the reports I've heard only the Sox were warned not Oakland. That is why the Oakland pitcher was not ejected.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 04:24 PM) I vaguely remember being critical of Ozzie last season for the altercation between the two, but I can't for the life of me remember what happened. Oh and let's keep this one clean. The umps didn't cost us the game. Crede shoulda been wrung up on the pitch before. If you want to b**** about the Umps, go type in all caps in another post. This thread is for intelligent discourse. Even with bad calls umps rarely cost teams games. Today's hurt but the lack of clutch hitting and the DP's is what killed us. Very good pitching kept us in it when we should not have. As for the history Ozzie has said in the past that Wendelstedt is out of position and his inconsistent strike zone. This has lead to the comments in the paper and the previous ejection.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 06:33 PM) I agree with you on all those points...but my big question is this...how do the Sox react to these 2 losses? These 2 games have been absolute embarassments. We've lost 2 games because we couldn't catch fly balls. Everyone it seems is hurt. People are getting ejected. Couple of bad calls at bases. Jermaine freaking Dye playing short. Middle of our lineup still struggling. The question is...how does the team respond? These are the kind of games that can really hurt a team for a while, and if we come out sluggish against Detroit, or if Contreras (or Hernandez if we bump him up) has a rough start, then we're looking at the makings of a losing streak, and the team might start worrying. More people might start overswinging...the pitchers might not be as crisp...and so on. Days like today are the days that test how well you're managed. Ozzie needs to get that team's head in the right place for Friday. If he doesn't...that 3.5 game lead could evaporate really quick. This is an important point. Do the Sox fold or use it to play better. In 2000 there was the Tigers fight and they used it for the better. Last year the Hunter incident happened and we folded. What will happen this year??? I'll be at the games this weekend. Will see how they play.

QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 04:47 PM) Respectfully disagree. "Not moving" is hardly ever called. Moving into a slow curveball, when the pitch wouldn't have hit you, is called. Watch Biggio or Fenernado Vina especially in his prime. They dive over the plate to get hit. Like you said the umps made the right call but Wendelstedt would not have made that call against any other team.

QUOTE(Sox Hustler @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 03:32 PM) Anyone in pen for sox?? Marte

poor defense will kill you

QUOTE(valponick @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 02:07 PM) I believe they would move Konerko to 3rd and put Gload at 1st. If I remember correctly Paulie came up as a 3B. Paulie started out as a catcher. Because of a chronic hip problem LA tried him at 3B. He couldn't handle it so he settled in as a 1B.

QUOTE(Steff @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 07:50 AM) Yea.. really. Which is why one hurts and one doesn't. And why a man is a sissy baby if he cries when having a hole put in his toe nail. I bet he cries when he get's his hair cut, too. The difference between going through the nail and under the nail is that there are no pain nerves in the nail. The actual drilling doesn't hurt if you stop at the right time. Going under the nail is not advisable because the nail bed and skin have a high concentration of nerve fibers. This is why cutting your nails doesn't hurt unless you catch the skin.

QUOTE(JimH @ Apr 26, 2005 -> 05:26 PM) Least of all Ordonez, in terms of feeling sorry for. He gets paid ... go figure. All of a sudden this guy is coming down with rather strange ailments. I mean, it can happen, but there sure is a funny smell. He was as healthy as a horse here and in addition to the knee situation, a viral ailment and a hernia. Let's get ptatc on this, he'll find out what's what. Calling ptatc. It is within reason to miss an extended period of time due to a sports herina. Kendrell Bell from the Steelers missed about three months last year. I would be suspicious but it was the Tigers physicians who called it viral, then a hernia, then not a hernia then a hernia again. It does seems odd that he has never missed any playing time until the knee injury last year then this occurs. I'm pretty sure the contract had some language about the cotract is guaranteed if he spends the 25 days on the DL due the knee this year only. After the first year it is guaranteed. If so, this may be a painful but good break for him because I don't believe his knee is healthy..

If either of those two ever got a fact correct it would be the first time. they are both full of crap. 1. They wonder wht nomar or McGwire don't sue Canseco because Bo Jackson sued a newspaper who said he used steriods and got them to print a retraction. therefore, the others used steriods. This is factually incorrect. It is very difficult to win a liable/slander case. No one knows who didn't use or used steriods because Canseco claimed it was done in provate. Bo Jackson didn't sue a paper because they said he used steriods. The paper quoted a woman who said he used steriods. The woman said she never said this, thus Jackson sued the paper because they misqouted the woman. 2. Patrick said you don't have to use steriods for home runs, look at Ben johnson he wasn't hitting home runs but he was using steriods so much it backed up his urine and caused his eyes to turn yellow. The steriods causes liver problems because it can't process them adequate and the liver problem causes the yellow in the eyes. I know they are small points but the public believes what these guys say and I wish they could get things correct.

QUOTE(WSFAN35 @ Apr 26, 2005 -> 11:41 AM) No one knows what kinda teammates either of these guys are. And I don't know if any of you remember Garland talking s*** about us fans. Some people know some of the team mates as well as other people in the locker rooms. When Garland was getting booed for past performances, rightfully so, people can lose thier temper through frustration.