ptatc

QUOTE(Steff @ Apr 26, 2005 -> 11:23 AM) Attitude is my reason for picking Garland. I would rather have someone who is thankful for their talent and opportunity that a self centered asshole who feels he's is owed something because of his talent. Agreed. Attitude can go along way with team mates. Either positive or negative. In this case you have two califonia boys with drastically different attitudes towards others.

QUOTE(Steff @ Apr 26, 2005 -> 10:07 AM) ptatc.. just a bit of info I want to share.. Frank was out of his cast and in a walking boot 6 weeks before the Sox released that info. Aaron and him were working out a good month before it was reported. He was walking on the treadmill at a 7% incline at 5 mph before ST even started. These are the things that I go by when I say that the Sox are being overly cautious in reporting anything. Frank is still hurting, as I'm sure anyone would be.. but I honestly think (from him and those close to him) that he's further along than they are reporting just in case there is a setback. They are definitely being cautious.. and the scar tissue was a setback as you stated it would be. You've been on the money in responding to what the Sox are reporting. Your info is great in relation to the medical side. It's nice to have someone here that can explain those details. That's good to hear that he is that much further along than they are reporting. I'm still concerned though because it should still be further along. I'm curious about a few of the comments you made. You're right that 5 mph is barely a jog. The 7% incline implies to me that they were concerned about the the motion at his ankle and thus made him walk "uphill." This however increases the stress in his foot where the problem resides. I hope they can find someway to resolve the inflammation in the tendon becuase this isn't something you can work through. If the pain continues he will be unable to run comfortably and even a DH needs to run to first. If you can, I'd be interested if you hear anything else. You can just PM me if you wish.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Apr 26, 2005 -> 09:23 AM) I believe Frank's atrophy was to be expected. I don't believe that would be a problem if he could work his leg without pain. He may have found a way to do so anyway. Perhaps an insider can answer that question. I'm not an insider, however, I have been in the medical field for awhile. After 7 months on crutches the atrophy is definitely expected. It's not his calf that is causing the problem, it's the tendons on the medial arch of his foot near the heel. He has had problems in this area in the past. The tendon controls the raising and lowering of the arch. This is under a tremendous amount of force while running. This tendon also happens to insert on the bone he fractured. As long as the fracture has healed, which if he is running it has, they need to find a way to calm down the inflammation and get back to running. Any runner who has had this tendonitis knows how tough it is, let alone a man the size of Frank. It is usually treated with meds and orthotic in the shoes. The meds didn't work so they gave him a cortisone injection. I also read where they modified his shoes. This also does not seemed to have worked.The next step is probaly rest. I'm sure they are doing other modalities in the training room but these will not help the running. I hope Steff is right and that he is doing better than what they are saying because if not he will need more rest to decrease the inflammation. He will need to do this before he can rebuild the strength to run and begin his rehab assignment.

QUOTE(Steff @ Apr 26, 2005 -> 09:06 AM) From Frank's mouth works for me... I'm not trying to start an arguement. I hope Frank is closer than what they're saying. it's just that the rehab is taking much longer than it should. with his history of injuries to that foot, it worries me. Herm is normally very adept at keeping the status of unjured players out of the media but he usually doesn't feed them disinformation either.

QUOTE(Capn12 @ Apr 26, 2005 -> 09:04 AM) My sentiments exactly YASNY I agree. The primary job of the catcher is to get the pitcher in a good rythm and call a good game. Offense should be secondary. I think many catchers tend to get away from this.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Apr 26, 2005 -> 06:25 AM) The heavy movement of his sinker is the key to his season, without a doubt. Before this season none of Jon pitches had much of a different angle to them to change the slant of the hitters eyes. His fastball and change were on the same plane, so if you guessed the right speed, you would crush the ball. (which his change was usually going 400 feet somewhere) His curve also didn't have much of a break to it, and was obvious once the hitter picked up the spin. Now with the sinker he has a pitch that moves downward, with some occasional sideways movement if he cuts it, between 6 inches to a foot. He throws it out of the same release point as the change and fastball so it gives him 3 pitches that the hitter has to guess. Also the sinker and the change have pretty simliar speeds. What this does it make the change much more effective, because the hitter has to wait and see if the bottom is going to fall out if it, until he can pick his swing plane. It also makes the curveball more effective as even if the hitter recognizes the spin, he has to guess on sinker vs curve to get his swing plane, and speed of the pitch as the curve is a bit slower. Finally his fastball is instantly better, as instead of just having to guess speed, the hitter has that sinker in the back of his mind, and if he hestitates, even a 91-93 mph fastball will get past him. That sinker is huge. While I agree with the spirit and idea of the post, there are a few things to clear up. The sinker and the changeup should be thrown at very different speeds. The sinker is a variation of the fastball (two seam vs. four seam). The sinker also has a different spin than the curveball. the results of what you said are true but some of the reasons are exactly right.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Apr 25, 2005 -> 11:10 PM) Ouch -- that's rough. From the little I watched him this year, he was looking good, too. Looked like he had a real nice slider going... It's too bad. The slider will kill the elbow if not thrown properly. his mechanics with the slider is what makes it good but it is also what causes the elbow problems.

I really liked old met stadium they played in before the baggyball came to town. I grew up in Iowa and it was the closest pro ball we had. They tore down the old stadium and built that stupid mall of america. I hope the new one is half as good as the old one.

QUOTE(ISF @ Apr 25, 2005 -> 02:48 PM) Would that really be any worse than the fools that vote Vince Carter a starter in the NBA every year? Managers do it also. Remeber the year Palmeiro won the GG and played only about 30 games at 1st?

QUOTE(ottawa_sox @ Apr 25, 2005 -> 03:39 PM) Works for me. It's nice to know that of all the speculators, out best insider is the most positive. Gotta agree with YASNY: before all is said and done, we WILL need him. I agree we will need him. However, this rehab is going far slower with more complications than it should. I agree with the post that said Thomas will be the best July deadline acqusition we make. The best way to look at it is, it could have been a career ending injury and at least we will get him back for some of the year. Some Thomas>>>>>>No Thomas

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Apr 25, 2005 -> 12:13 PM) I don't think it's all bad. Frank ran hard on Friday. That's what Herm wanted to see. They can treat the pain but they need to know what the threshold is. That can only come from Frank's willingness to run hard. He's showing that willingness. Pain & growth go hand in hand. So as much as it hurts the tendon is getting stronger. The Sox can use Frank at DH exclusively after Jun 12th. No more NL games after that. That lowers the bar for Frank's recovery. This is not really true. Tendons do not benefit from pain. Tendons will break down and tear with constant inflammation. That is why they gave him the cortisone shot. It appearantly didn't help much. As I've been saying all along. From the reports there are alot of things going on that are inconsitent with just the fracture. Some people were asking if the injury was career threatening. Yes, the injury was considered career threatening from the beginning. After the syrgery the reports were optimistic but the seems to be an awful lot of complications. Curiouser and curiouser????

I was listening to the game on XM. They use the home team broadcast. the tigers broadcasters were commenting on the hot start of the Sox. They said the hot start won't last because Contreas and Garland won't be consistent, Hernandez won't make 25 starts and they have bad infield defense especially that shortstop. :banghead

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Apr 22, 2005 -> 06:42 PM) Wit beers get the orange, and a Weiss gets a lemon. Oddly enough, they are both virtually the same creature. But the reason for the fruit wedge is also to take some of the bite of the wheat off of the beer. I personally don't like food in my beers, and usually will have the wedges left out of my weiss. Blue Moon = VERY mediocre though. Try a Hoegarrden for a really nice version. Or for a domestic of the style, try and find Bell's Winter White. YUM! I do like the Hoegarden but my favorite is the Weiheistphaner. It has the esthers to give it the good taste.

QUOTE(JimH @ Apr 22, 2005 -> 04:00 PM) ptatc ... Let us know when you're going to a game. The three of us can meet at Bertucci's and then ahem, quickman, ahem will impart his vast knowledge of everything to you ... even beer. OK, I've got the weekend plan so the next time they're in town.

QUOTE(3E8 @ Apr 22, 2005 -> 03:48 PM) Is it common for Blue Moon to be served with an orange wedge? It's actually brewed with a touch of orange flavor though certain ingredients. That's why people will add the wedge.

QUOTE(quickman @ Apr 22, 2005 -> 03:46 PM) Blue moon on tap is all over the place, so is guinness, now PBR and Blatz on tap, is another story. Even in ballparks? Usually it's just the buddy crud or something similar on tap. However you're right on the PBR and Blatz very few places have those on tap.

QUOTE(JimH @ Apr 22, 2005 -> 02:53 PM) Ah yes ... Max's. A personal favorite, right down the street from Bertha's Mussels. Love Baltimore. Faidley Seafood Market for crab cakes, the whole waterfront Inner Harbor area ... Camden Yards. Great stuff. Yes, what makes Camden Yards so great.....Guiness and Blue Moon on tap on Eutaw street!!!!

QUOTE(JimH @ Apr 22, 2005 -> 02:28 PM) Love Hamm's on draft. Red White and Blue ... no chance. Found a place in Baltimore called Max's in Fell's Point when I went there last weekend. It had 80 beers on tap and 180 in the bottle. Went in at noon for lunch left at 7:30. A new favorite beer: Rodenbach Red Sour.

QUOTE(JimH @ Apr 22, 2005 -> 02:22 PM) Glad to hear there was no drinking while treating patients ... always a good start. I think all of this is a hallucination, Blatz can do that to a guy!! How true!!! Almost as bad as Hamms or red white and blue

QUOTE(JimH @ Apr 22, 2005 -> 02:16 PM) Tom's Place, downtown "Lemont-you-big-dummy". Big Blatz sign out in front, they have it on tap. No wheat beers there though my friend. Blatz brewery closed in 1959, holy cow, when did you work there? Part or should I say most of the complex is still standing, in fact Brew City BBQ is in a bulding that was part of Blatz ... downtown Milwaukee. Ask quickman about finding the $2 bottles of Blatz and how I convinced him they really had it. I should clarify. The clinic was part of the brewery and another was still "owned' by the brewery but had nothing else there. you could still smell the brewery and this was the hard part. I never actually drank while I was treating the patients but the intoxicating smell made me want to .. and after work I frequntly did. I have't been there in awhile. There isn't a work hardening/PT clinic in the building anymore? Too bad, as I said a good place to work.

QUOTE(JimH @ Apr 22, 2005 -> 02:04 PM) Looks like quickman and I might be the last two grizzly bears on this thread. Expect this to degenerate into a thread about PBR and Blatz at any moment. Put me in your category. I agree with everything you've said. That's why my seats are in the first row on the end. Nobody is in front of me and very few need me to move. If it degenerates into PBR and Blatz and death is not an option, I'll take Blatz. I once worked in a clinic that was part of the old Blatz Brewerey. Half of it was still the brewery the other half a clinic. It was very difficult to come back to work after lunch or go straight home.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Apr 22, 2005 -> 10:20 AM) Good point, I cannot read your mind...Guess I was wrong Point is, I think that Maggs was a great player for the sox, produced in ways that we hadnt seen in a long time. But the character flaws are coming into light now. He told ownership not to hire Ozzie-personal attack, he left the city that he said he wanted to stay in for the possibility of more money-greedy, he now says unsolicitied that Ozzie is his enemy and he wouldnt talk to him-personal attack. What do you expect Ozzie to do in that situation, knowing who Ozzie is. He is not Phil Jackson, when he got Ozzie we knew that he was the type of person who responds honestly, and when personally attacked, again, of course he is going to respond. If that makes you feel uncomfortable, then you should write JR and tell him to re-hire Manuel. I think that Ozzie's response was fine, Maggs is acting like a little girl. I do not hate him because he is not on our team, in fact I still Love El Caballo among others, but Maggs is not the person I thought he was, because if he wasnt a whiner, then he wouldnt have said what he said, and he could of taken the high road. I agree. This whole thing started when a reporter asked MAGGS a question and he said Guillen was his enemy. Guillen was responding to what Maggs said about him. I wish all of this would end also but Maggs brought it up. I hope Maggs does well but please shut up.

QUOTE(Al Lopez's Ghost @ Apr 22, 2005 -> 09:21 AM) Bernstein on the Score this morning drew the same inference - that Ozzie knows that Maggs used roids, and could "hurt" Maggs that way. Bernstein also recalled a conversation from their opening day remote. He said he told KW "Did you know that edema can cause your forearms to shrink?" jokingly, and KW just ignored the opening. FWIW. Rumor in MLB locker rooms had it that Mags was one of the big abusers.

QUOTE(sox-r-us @ Apr 21, 2005 -> 10:22 AM) Just heard on ESPN radio that Nomah will go under the knife. Not sure when he returns yet but might be after two months at best or next year at worst If surgery is needed to repair the muscle he will be gone for the year. Muscles are extremely difficult to do surgery on and even harder to rehab. One surgeon I worked with said "it is like trying to permanently tie two pieces of spagetti together."