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Just because it is the most efficient doesn't mean it's the only way. There are other pitches besides the fastball.

You just don't get it. I'm not blaming any one person. It is a decision made by information with multiple people.

You really think the entire organization is just yes men for TLR? The entire analytics department, Katz, the entire coaching staff. What kind of blame am I taking? What the the heck could I be blamed for?

No doubt it's been shown that statistically the best way to keep runs off the board is to take no chances and strike them out. It's to the detriment of the pitchers health.

No. I didn't say that. If that's what you read, I'll try to explain it again. None of these decisions are made in isolation. In the analytics department Duncan doesn't have the only say. TLR doesn't ignore all of the information given to him by the analytics department. Essentially I am saying everything that you want to blame on a single person is wrong. No one makes the decisions by themselves.

Again, are you saying that TLR made these decisions while ignoring the suggestions of the pitching coach and bullpen coach?

I'm saying the decisions are not solely based on one person. I'm sure even in the analytics department, Duncan doesn't have the only say and whatever he says goes regardless of any other input. Everyone says TLR is too old school. Well the old school way was for the Manger to manage the players andet the coaches do their work.

What does that have to do with the media reporting issues ayers have with the manager?

So what youre saying is that the White Sox set up the stats department so that they only do what TLR wants them to do and don't actually do any analytics about the other team?

With all of the ripping if the Sox for hiring him? There were many stories about hiw RH was told to hire him and it was all a JR decision. It would come out if there was a significant issue.

I have no idea who is in that department. My point is that it isn't a TLR decision in isolation.

Too hard, too much. "Reaching back for that extra" is fine. It's when you do it for every pitch that it becomes an issue.

That's more the stats department than anything.

It's all to do with the emphasis on velocity and strikeouts. I don't think the 6 man rotation is coming but the emphasis on the bullpen and minor league depth is going to increase in importance.

It does matter. Previous muscle capacity makes it easier. Granted you still wouldn't go from 30 innings to 200 but it makes the transition easier.

The 2009 and 2010 make a difference fir how fast you can build up innings. If there was a previous base it's easier to build upon. This is why Crochet was different than Sale. Sale started for years in college and built up innings. Crochet was never a starter in college and never had the innings base.

Again. We agree they didn't upgrade the pitching like they should have. I know you would take the possibility an oft injured player who could possibly be an ace over a bottom of the rotation starter. I just go the other way and use the extra resources elsewhere as I don't think they need another TOR guy. Of course you would always take the best player everywhere with unlimited resources. Bit we know that's not the case here.

They are babied too much once they get to a full workload. But they need to get there first. Kopech couldn't handle the workload they gave him last year without going on the injured list.

You have to baby him as you put it because you will increase his injury likelihood tremendously if you increase his innings too much. He pitched 70 last year they can't double it and not expect issues to arise.

Hiw about any if the 80 or pitchers who pitched 150 innings or more? Doesn't have to be specific. Nobody with an significant injury history last year. If you really have have a name to blame someone, I'll take Manaea because he was avaliable and pitched 150 innings. I'm not sure why you are dragging this out. We basically agree on everything except that Rodon should be the additional pitchers on this team. I would not have taken the chance on his injury history with that contract. I would literally take nearly anyone with the qualifications I described.

From what they said he is throwing all his pitched and not having issues.

Correct. But Rodon was also a flier on a 3mil contract not an important prospect. Also look at Rodon's performance at the end of the year. He was gassed and not effective. This while playing for a big payday.

Someone posted it on here. Can't remember who.

Those are all possibilities. Like I said there were probably many others who could have been had in trades as well. They didn't need a TOR type of guy just an innings eater.

If you believe the reports, the deal was in the works before the Lynn injury, he was just waiting to see if he could get an MLB deal not a minor league one.