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For him it's being on the routine. For a team trading for him, the goal would be to decrease his workload enough during the season to save him to start in the post season. They could do it either way. There are just reports that teams have thought of moving him to the pen.

I never said I would pitch him in the pen. I said that, it's been reported that teams have said that. If a team trades for him before the deadline, they aren't going to shut him down. They will still plan on using him.

Correct. But from reports he wouldn't have an issue with that. But there were reports of teams wanting him to go to the pen as it would probably decrease his innings more than those regular turns in the rotation. That is what he has said he doesn't want to do.

It's not a given that he couldn't be in the post season. The option of going to the bullpen for the second half to save him for the post season is a reasonable possibility. However he has said he doesn't want to do that. Maybe the contract demands is his way of ensuring he won't get traded to a team that wants him in the pen for the second half of the season.

You stop pitching in games. Do the off season throwing program and trade him in the offseason. He'll be valuable for next season when he can pitch a full season without limitation. There is a strong possibility he'll have some issues but it's not a given considering how he's handled this year.

It wouldn't be good for his arm to just stop throwing. For next year's health he would need to keep up a regular throwing program similar to a rehab program but at a significantly decreased intensity compared to games. This would fall in line with Bannister's deloading philosophy. However it looks like they are going to keep pitching him in games all year, if they keep him.

Let's hope.

This I agree with. Not sure about lighting in a bottle but with his history, it would be hard to give him a huge payday.

He doesn't need 150, just a reasonable base and progression. He was over 100 a few times.

This makes no sense. Rodon had years of pitching prior to that with a good base and progression of innings. Crochet has none of that including college which rodon also had.

And he hardly pitched in thise years comparatively because of injury. Well just leave it at we'll see and I'll based mine on research and data bases and you base yours on your experience with working with MLB pitchers and medical staffs.

You're wrong. There has never been a scenario like this where someone is going to double their CAREER innings in a single season in the modern MLB.

Yes, they do. As soon as they go against any physician opinion they are open to malpractice lawsuits. It's not common in MLB but it happens in the NFL all the time. I've been deposed a few times on both sides of these lawsuits.

I disagree. Everyone knows the white sox are currently pushing him past all accepted limits. This is probably why he won't get traded as well regardless of the contract demands.

I know you dint trust it. However if it is true there really isn't another reason that I can think of. If it's not true then he should be traded pretty soon and we'll know the answer.

So your saying that the owners will blackball a pitcher who the team has overused and worn out to the point that he can't pitch anymore? Don't think that would happen. Pitchers have to take breaks all year long when their arms are fatigued. Relievers do it all the time. You'll hear the mangers say that they aren't available on certain days after pitching too much.

Correct. But he can always say his arm is too fatigued and that is impossible to refute. Even without an actual injury he can justify not pitching

He is allowed to go out and get his own second opinions. Also, I'm sure the current medical staff is advising against what they are doing now.

Would make for an interesting lawsuit. Since it sounds like Crochet is pushing to keep starting, he would be hurting his own case. The extention of the season and workload is the wildcard.

But why else would he demand an extention only for the playoffs?

His chances after the way they pitched him are much greater than getting hit by a car. While players don't have final say, they will work with his input. Wait until we see what he looks like at the end of the year and we'll know more. What are the contractual obligations of the team to maintain his health?

No, but that's why he wants protection. The number if innings including the playoffs will be crazy.

I'm sure he knows that if he pitches into the post season his health is in jeopardy. He want guaranteed money if his arm falls off.

It's not me. It's most of the replies on the board. I don't know most of the team systems. It's just everything I'm reading on here is how none of these systems that are from the teams mostly tied to the trade rumors are worth trading with.

This is my point. If everyone is already ruling out most teams because their hitting prospects suck, the return will be crap because there is no leverage.