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QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 01:30 PM) Look, nobody likes a loser. Nobody's going to go to the ballpark to see a last-place team. I mean some folks who love prospects will go, maybe a couple thousand die hards, but considering how much it costs to go to a game, once the Sox are buried in the standings the Cell will be a morgue. If the rebuild works and someday they start winning, of course the fans will return. But if the Sox suck next season and are 8 out on May 1, forget it. The park will be empty and those who love prospects will be able to spread out and watch games in comfort. The park will be empty. As opposed to how jam packed it was last year?

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 01:22 PM) Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale 1m1 minute ago The #Nationals tried to get #WhiteSox to expand the Adam Eaton trade to include closer Todd Frazier, but Sox refused, will deal separately "closer Todd Frazier". Did they want Frazier or Robertson? Also, I don't know why this wasn't done to get them to include Robles and a couple decent lottery tickets if it was Robertson.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 11:58 AM) Catching is at a huge premium because very few with a decent bat can stick at the position defensively. That is why we absolutely must be patient and try to develop Collins as a catcher If he can become good at framing and gamecalling, even if everything else about his defense is average, and his bat plays the way it projects according to scouts, he'll be one of the top Catchers in baseball.

QUOTE (Ezio Auditore @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 11:24 AM) The Sox have never done a full tear down and rebuild in the time I've been a Sox fan (early 90s as a kid) and while there has been an obvious, overt resistance to the idea from Reinsdorf and Kenny Williams, I always sensed from other Sox fans that they felt the fanbase wouldn't want to bother with it either. But so far in the past 48 hours I've seen mostly excitement, people are ready to get this started and see it through properly. What do y'all think? Am I off base here? I will be, but I doubt most will. Most will see seven names acquired and expect that those seven names will all be contributing to the ML club in a significant way very soon. When that doesn't happen, they'll want heads to roll, when anyone who knows anything about this knows that we'll be lucky to get five of these guys to be key pieces moving forward, and three are about the closest thing you can get to a lock in prospects. Anyone who realizes that this is a game of attrition, and that by acquiring 15-20 of the best 150 prospects in baseball, they are hoping that about half of them work out, as well as the talent they already had in the minors as well as hoping for a solid-good haul in the next three drafts, two of which will likely have top 5 picks for the White Sox, should be fine. If all of that works out, they could have 60-80% of a playoff caliber roster that is very cheap and cost controlled heading into the 2018 offseason, which would give them the ability to splurge in that historic class and potentially bring playoff baseball to the South Side by 2019, just in time for the new TV deal.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 11:35 AM) Houston's starting pitching is shaky and not enough to contend in my opinion A package of Martes/Reed/Tucker/Stubbs would get it done for me in exchange for Q I don't feel that is unreasonable to request considering they are not putting Bregman in the deal I like Musgrove, they should put him in, too if no Bregman.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 11:33 AM) http://tomahawktake.com/2016/12/06/2-moves...ake-after-sale/ This is one of the dumbest proposals that I have seen^^^ wow it's bad That might get Miguel Gonzalez.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 10:57 AM) That's kind of the beauty of this trade, we don't need Giolito to even become a star to win the trade or break even. With the return we got, and the player that was dealt, I think there's much less risk of taking Giolito (compared to for Sale, etc) With the Sox track record, though, I like his and Lopez's chance of becoming TOR starters now than I did before.

QUOTE (oneofthemikes @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 11:28 AM) Sean Sears on twitter: "Source: Asking price for Chris Archer and Jose Quintana is too high for #Astros, "seems unlikely" that either will end up in Houston" I guess they're not that interested in winning it all. Oh well, their loss.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 08:26 AM) Random but I didn't know we signed this guy. He looks like he could have some potential. Looks like a glove heavy SS who could potentially develop a bat. Why not?

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 11:55 PM) Don't forget though, these top 100 rankings still have to be updated. Heard on the radio today that Giolito and Moncada probably drop somewhere to top 15-20. Kopech and Lopez probably move up to that same area. So the Sox could end up being more like the Yankees current rankings where they have 4 players ranked between #15-#22. Well, Moncada is no longer with the Red Sox, so that makes sense. Are people really this influenced by a ML cup of coffee at 21? If so, hopefully they can get Reed/Martes/Fisher/Tucker for Q.

QUOTE (HeGone7 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 11:30 PM) I think it's more about where we stand right now. If the plan was to sell everyone I get the frustration. The common feeling was the Sox needed an abundence of positional prospects. If you follow the Cubs, and now the Yankees model, it's acquire as many guys as you can offensively. Sign the pitching. So if you're a saber kind of guy and you're into the secondary statistics, you'd know that Eaton was one of our 3 biggest assets. I say that because if you're old-fashion or a mix, you may argue Abreu is the bigger name/better player. Which is fine. It'd be irrelevent to me for this conversation but it's important to note the difference since it effects how some fans value specific players. The point I'm making is many Sox fans see Eaton as one of our three elite guys to deal. If you say Sale, Q, Eaton are tier 1, and you have dealt two of them w/only 1 hitter to show for it. Yikes. This feels very risky to you in this situation because part of the reason many of us wanted a rebuild is because we don't have the elite hitters coming through. We don't have the Bryant, Scharber, Russell, Baez, etc. So the point of this firesale should've been to get as many high-end hitters you could. With two of your biggest chips gone, hard to imagine they'll accomplish this at the level they could have and needed to. The hope from here would be Q nets a package of hitters. Abreu and Frazier getting one/two would be nice. So I get the frustration "right now" but there is time left for people to come around when we have a finished product. That may take a while, too. On the flipside, there is also a reason to love what we have so I see where both sides have their gripe. It feels fair/right to point out here that the Cubs drafted more of Bryant, Schwarber, Baez, and Russell than they traded for. In fact, they drafted 3 of them and traded for one. All the more reason nailing the 2016-2018 drafts is going to be of extreme importance.

They're making Robertson look cheap.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 09:24 PM) Yeah, the Sox aren't going to be players in the FA market for at least another year, probably two, down the road. Two. So the 2018 class, then?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 09:18 PM) He even traded Kenny Williams. Bring him back! Make him do it again!

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 09:09 PM) Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 37s38 seconds ago #Pirates believed Tues nite were on brink of dealing McCutchen to #Nationals for Giolito and Dunning Why would PIT say no to that?

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 09:11 PM) Pitchers pegged as dope bullpen pitchers not the disappointment it once was. I get that, but a starter is still more valuable every time, and getting 2 TOR starters out of that deal would really kickstart things in the right direction.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 09:04 PM) They have blown up a team before. Go look up White Flag. I know about White Flag. I think this goes further.

QUOTE (TRU @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 09:10 PM) 6 years $68 Million... that's the largest contract the Chicago White Sox have ever given out They aren't signing the big time free agents, need to nail these trades and drafts.. With a team already loaded with contracts. When the payroll is $40 million in a year or two, there will be room to make a splash in free agency.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 09:06 PM) The Law take was that the nats foolishly messed with Giolito's mechanics; Lopez is a high end reliever; and Dunning has light mileage on his arm, has 3 pitches, and could start in the chicago by September. Lopez has started at every level, why convert him now?

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 09:01 PM) So the latest mlbtraderumora update on Q is that his price is too high for Atl and Houston .... http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/whit...p;post-id=79723 Whatcha got Rockies?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 08:51 PM) OK, one thing we should know as Sox fans is that there is zero chance of them bidding on top line free agents when we are going to be coming off of two completely terrible season. We don't do that coming off of good seasons. I don't know why this has taken traction, but look at the White Sox free agent history, and tell me why there is any answer other than no. They're doing something right now that's unprecedented under JR. Why should that be any different? You're not making a whole lot of sense today, you usually do.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 08:29 PM) We.Need.Postitional.Talent. I.Get.That.There.Are.At.Least.Three.Drafts.Between.Now.And.A.Competitive.Team.Not.To.Mention.The.201 8.Free.Agent.Class.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 08:22 PM) This is a perfect call for the type of players I would want to see us targeting. He was described as a generational talent, yet because of his age, he is WAY down the lists and rankings. But a guy like that should be a huge target. So you're criticizing the org for taking top notch value because it's not who you want, but who you want are 17 year olds that have every possible chance along the way to bust but have high ceilings because you don't trust the org to develop position players. Can you please make sense of your position? I can't.

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 08:19 PM) Nonetheless both still top 10 MLB prospects, but I get what you're saying. I still don't think that would be a realistic ask though. You said Rodgers + 2 or 3. We're in disagreement by one body.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 07:52 PM) Christopher Crawford ‏@Crawford_MILB 32s32 seconds ago Giolito and Lopez are (obviously) the headliners, but Dunning was a personal favorite from last year's draft. 60 FB, 60 CH, improving SL. Yeah, he and Hansen are nice pieces to have in the lower levels