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It's Bauer. Sign Bauer. Don't go cheap and give up valuable assets for rentals.

This really drives it home. If Lynn is worth 3.2 WAR next year, and Dunning is worth 2.4 WAR, the Sox got fleeced, but I've already said that several times.

The only place I disagree with you is the notion that Dunning is a finished product. He still has upside IMO. 2021 will be his age 26 season, not 27. Corey Kluber did not have a good season until his age 27 season. Everyone keeps saying these are outliers, and of course they are, any Cy Young winning pitcher is an outlier, but I can find examples littered throughout baseball of pitchers with mediocre stuff and great command who are solid mid rotation starters or better. The asset given up was a valuable asset, and very definitely could come back to bite the White Sox, even as early as 2021. Steiver should've been the top end of this deal, not Dunning.

Well unless you think a 4 starter solves the problem, be prepared for what you consider to be a big mistake.

?? Just sign Joc and get it over with. Sign some reclamation project to fill the "urgent" 4 starter need while only getting 0-1 impact pen arms and this will be a trademark disappointing White Sox offseason.

Sounds like the remaining $27 million could be used on Bauer, especially since $27 million AAV is what I've seen for his contract several places. Also, the White Sox could do this inconceivable thing called raise their payroll.

On the upside of outcomes, the answer is obviously no. There are way more than the upside of outcomes to consider, however. I will say I hope you're right and Kopech, Cease, and Crochet all establish themselves as at least mid rotation starters this year. That would also make this trade more favorable, even if Lynn ends up a rental.

That's $57 million. More than enough AAV to sign Bauer.

For those who say no in this poll, do you at least admit the Sox lost this trade?

My answer (Yes, 2 years) is contingent on a decent price.

Greg will love it. It's a veteran for someone Greg thinks of as a prospect. What's not to like for him?

So everyone who has a negative opinion on Dunning is automatically right? Cease is just as likely to flame out as Dunning, but people think he's more likely to develop into a top end starter because he throws 99 with a good breaking ball repertoire, despite his inability to control where any of it goes. It's like people ignore Dunning's superior results because he "only" throws 92-94. Now I obviously hope I'm wrong, but I thought Dunning was more likely to develop into a dependable SP than Cease.

To those who think that somehow this is a move to entice Bauer, rather than the plainly obvious move it is to avoid paying Bauer, I will admit that if this trade somehow entices Bauer to sign with the White Sox, I will completely change my opinion on it. The likelihood of that happening, however, is slim to none, and slim has made its way toward the exits.

Dunning was worth 0.7 WAR in 2020. Lance Lynn was worth 1.5 WAR in 2020. If those trends continue, the White Sox massively lose this trade. What's worse, because of the aging curve, Lynn is likely to get worse while Dunning is likely to remain the same or get better.

Control isn't a valuable asset for a pitcher. Only velocity and stuff matter. That's why Dylan Cease finished right behind Lynn in the Cy Young vote, why Dunning will never be even a 3, and why Bieber will never win a Cy Young.

"Ceiling" is bullshit, lots of players in MLB history have vastly exceeded their "ceiling". 6 years of Dunning for 1 year of Lynn is stupid. If you can extend Lynn for relatively cheap and get 3 years of ace out of him, then it would be worth it, but he didn't come with an extension, or a guarantee that he'd pitch at his relatively newly discovered ace level.

Joc, Hendriks, and Hand would make this slightly better.

He's a rental. Not every low 90s pitcher with good control and movement is going to turn into Bieber, but to call it "completely insane" is quite a stretch. Even if he's a 3 as people suggest his "ceiling" is, 6 years of that is more valuable than 1 year of Lynn, even if he performs like a 1.

You don't get the outliers if you trade them away for rentals. Also anyone who tracked Bieber saw him coming from a mile away. All he did was produce at every level. Just like Dunning.

Bieber's ceiling was SP5. Who won the 2020 AL Cy Young?

They SHOULD sign Bauer, that was the whole point of this rebuild. To go out and BUY the last pieces to stack on the cost controlled core. Sacrificing cost controlled assets for rentals is strictly counterintuitive to the entire concept. Keep Dunning, sign Bauer, dominate. Why is that hard?

I'm upset because I see a lot of Shane Bieber in Dane Dunning.

Remember guys, Shane Bieber's ceiling was a 5 starter...until it wasn't. Won't be surprised to see Dunning win a Cy elsewhere.

By next October? Possibly Dunning. Why I hate the deal.

WTF?! Dunning+?! Dunning alone was an overpay!