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QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Nov 23, 2015 -> 10:59 PM) :lol: Quintana is, conservatively, about a 5 WAR per year pitcher. Puig is very inconsistent, but let's call him a 4 WAR per year OF to be generous. So, player for player, Quintana is going to be worth 1 more WAR per year. At first glance, the contracts seem fairly even as well. However, Puig can opt out of his contract at any point now and opt in to arbitration. So either Puig is severely less valuable than Quintana and you overpay for poor production or Puig is almost as valuable as Quintana and you pay much closer to market value for that production. Either way, between player value and contract value, Q is probably going to be worth 2-3 WAR more per year than Puig over the life of their respective contracts. So, if they viewed Garcia as a player they could turn into at least an average OF and they viewed Montas as a future starter who could be a 2 or 3, it would actually be a pretty fair deal. It certainly, however, is a MUCH fairer deal than what that website came up with.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Nov 23, 2015 -> 07:12 AM) There's no way that LA gives the Sox Seager AND Urias without Sale going the other way. I just don't see that happening. I admit that for that deal to work, the Dodgers would have to value the potential of Garcia quite a bit and they'd have to view Montas as a future starter. That said, that deal is far more fair than the one this dumb website came up with.

Those deals suck. Something more fair in each case would be: LaRoche for Howard + cash (PHI eats the extra $12 million owed Howard) Q, Garcia, Montas and Jones for Puig, Seager, and Urias Change the trades to that, and do everything else except re-sign Soto, and I'd be good with it.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 14, 2015 -> 05:52 PM) Doesn't sound like that's the new value when your examples are two of the high priced free agents. Jason Giambi fit Beane's model of acquiring players with high OBP. He was also attractive to teams who valued power and average, because he hit near .300 with 30-40 HRs. Heyward and Murphy similarly have value to teams that value other things as well. The White Sox also need to drastically improve their offense. You're going to pay more for a player who can hit 1-6 in your lineup than for a player who would ideally hit 7-9.

So good defense and not striking out are, in my opinion, the current undervalued assets in MLB. If you look at the world champion Royals, 11 of their 13 hitters with 100 or more PAs strike out in less than one of every six at bats (Alex Gordon and Paulo Orlando being the exceptions), and as a team, they play very good defense. Using this line of thinking, I think if the White Sox wish to improve the most heading into next season, their top targets should be Jason Heyward, who is a great defender, had a K rate of 14.8%, and a wRC+ of 121 in 2015, and Daniel Murphy, who offers defensive versatility at two positions of desperate need for the White Sox, had the lowest K rate in the league in 2015 at 7.1%, and had a wRC+ of 110 despite having a very low BABIP. All that said, the White Sox rarely go the route I'm suggesting, and they're highly unlikely to hand out the contract it will take to get Heyward, so they'll likely go a different direction.

Alexei is a buy low candidate. BABIP of .264 in 2015 with above average defense. He'll cost much less than Desmond as well.

I think Murphy, Freese, Zobrist, and find a way to trade away LaRoche would make a very good offseason.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Oct 23, 2015 -> 05:25 PM) Exercise Alexei Ramirez $10m option Sign C Matt Wieters 2y $26m Sign 3B Jae-Gyun Hwang for 3y $12m + $3m posting Sign RP Antonio Bastardo for 1y $5m Trade SP Erik Johnson to Cincinnati Reds for CF Billy Hamilton 1 Adam Eaton L LF 2 Jose Abreu R 1B 3 Matt Wieters S C 4 Jae-Gyun Hwang R 3B 5 Melky Cabrera S DH 6 Trayce Thompson R RF 7 Micah Johnson L 2B 8 Alexei Ramirez R SS 9 Billy Hamilton S CF BENCH: Tyler Flowers R C, Adam LaRoche L 1B/DH, Avisail Garcia R OF, Tyler Saladino R INF 1 Chris Sale L 2 Jose Quintana L 3 Carlos Rodon L 4 Frank Montas R 5 John Danks L 6/LR: Scott Carroll R Relievers: Zach Duke L, Dan Jennings L, Nate Jones R, Jake Petricka R SU: Antonio Bastardo L CL: David Robertson R --- I dont know. The Sox seem to lose value on that trade. I mean, at that point, why not just keep EJ and let Trayce start in CF? The only thing Hamilton seems to have is speed. At least Trayce has speed, power, and defense, even if his hit tool isn't that great. Also, EJ will likely be much better as a 4th starter than Montas in 2016, with potentially both having available slots in 2017, when Montas is likely to be more ready for starting in the majors.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 21, 2015 -> 10:18 PM) I don't think people who have him on their fantasy team wold agree. They have a bottom 5 coaching staff and a bad GM. The coaching staff (save for Pep Hamilton) isn't the problem, it's Grigson. Grigson put Pep Hamilton in place, Grigson bought terrible free agents like Landry and Jean-Francois, and Grigson hasn't upgraded the talent on the offensive line. Hamilton, Grigson's guy, can't call a game to save his life and has never heard of this strange "hot route" concept to combat the blitz. For the offense to struggle enough to be the reason that the Colts are 0-2 and the defense has been the side of the ball doing its job despite the consistently high investment in the offense since the arrival of Luck tells you all you need to know about where the problem lies.

So I noticed a lot of "extend QO to Shark for the pick" on this thread, but what if he takes the QO? That's a distinct possibility at this point given how much he's damaged his value this season.

Why does everyone want to trade Quintana? It doesn't make sense unless you're getting a guy like Frazier our Arenado in return, and even then, Q should be pretty much the entire package. His value is insane, and a package that was suggested earlier in this thread for just Arenado (which included Montas, Micah Johnson, and Adams) should, in addition to someone like Arenado, net the team a young, proven 125+ wRC+ catcher with great defense. If we're not getting something worth 5+ WAR and cost controlled for Q, then why not keep the trio of cost controlled lefties that are likely to produce 15-18 WAR at the top of the rotation for the next 4+ years? You get two decent starters behind that, and you have the potential for a 20-25 WAR rotation, which is a playoff rotation with even a decent bullpen and offense.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 12:55 AM) Considering that Hamels is on the Rangers, I would say not feasible. Did that just happen?

Here's a fun fill in the blank game: LAD gets: Cole Hamels CHW gets: Yasiel Puig PHI gets: ????? Excluded from options to fill in the blank: Sale, Quintana, Rodon, Robertson, Eaton, Abreu, Adams, Anderson, Fulmer I don't think this is feasible, is it?

I think they should start him and send Danks to the pen. What do you think?

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ May 10, 2015 -> 05:36 PM) I thought Anderson was supposed to be the SS. Can't have too many good shortstops.

The marketing team should really latch on to this "stir it up" thing, especially if they can string together some wins/series wins.

Good pitching day, hoping for good starts from EJ and Danish.

If he is at least a wash for Gillaspie defensively, could they move him there permanently? It would solve a problem moving forward and would allow the White Sox to look for the best pure hitter to replace the DH slot.

QUOTE (LDF @ May 9, 2015 -> 06:46 PM) nice post, but let me ask you this, do you really see Rondon as a 250-275 as a rightly? He has a close to. 400 split as a right handed batter. Now, part of that is probably that he's good against left-handed pitching, but he might bat better against right-handed pitching as a right handed batter, especially since I think his left-handed batting split is sub-.200.

Isn't this the guy who is trying to be a switch hitter and has terrible lefty splits? He might develop a legitimate bat if he starts hitting right handed full time. Defense being equal, I'll take a .250-275 right handed SS over a .200-.220 switch hitting SS.

QUOTE (bmags @ May 5, 2015 -> 05:01 PM) Did we figure out the Montas disappearance? He went 3.1 innings in a start on 5/3.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Apr 28, 2015 -> 11:19 AM) Justin Houston is a much better play than Ray though. I think Ray was always going in the 2nd round and probably still will. He's just not that good. Stiff, straight line pass rusher that is bad in space. Meh. Have you watched game tape of Ray? Or do you just not know how leverage works? It doesn't matter if he can't play in space, he has a far more valuable skill in his ability to defeat the opposing team's best pass blocker and get to the QB.

Again I ask: Where is Montas?

Where is Montas?

Uh oh, looks like EJ is remembering how to pitch.