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QUOTE(SEALgep @ Dec 23, 2005 -> 10:03 PM) This isn't rumored, but what about sending Garland to Boston for Andy Marte. Ride out Crede for this year, maybe use him for a trade at the deadline, and possibly deal Fields as well. It certainly makes Boston even stiffer competition, but could also make us solid at third for several years to come. It also creates another difficult to fill hole for the Red Sox. I don't think they would jump at the oppurtunity to create another hole for themselves, even if they make their pitching staff better (and far more expensive in the short and long term, should they decide to keep Garland).

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 22, 2005 -> 12:20 PM) I didn't want to add that...entirely because I didn't want to imply that they'd already made the decision and were going to need to do any Rueing. But it's a Family Guy reference, and as we all know, Family Guy is awesome, so it had to be used.

QUOTE(knightni @ Dec 22, 2005 -> 12:51 AM) Well...go ahead! Start rueing! Family Guy sucks!

Did I miss something here?

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 18, 2005 -> 06:18 PM) I think the Chargers match up well with the Colts. A healthy Steelers team does as well, as does Jacksonville (with Leftwich). Cinncy could make it interesting in the playoffs as well, but there defense is bad and Rudi isn't LT. If you didn't notice, the Colts have beaten all those team except the Chargers, and they had absolutely nothing to play for today, and they showed it. I'd say they beat each of the teams that they have beaten that you listed rather convincingly, as only the Jags really had a chance after the Colts' opening drive (and that was in the first matchup). Beating the Colts at home when it counts is extremely difficult. I don't know if there is a team in the NFL that could.

QUOTE(Sox Hustler @ Dec 18, 2005 -> 12:54 AM) Coco Crisp huh. He's pretty damn good. If they were to trade them they should get some pretty damn good players in return. Well, they are the Indians, so I wouldn't mind if they traded him and got a bag of balls and Mike Jackson (the RP, not the singer) in return.

Who do you think are good candidates to make a Garland for 2 pitching specs trade? My leading candidate right now would be the Dodgers. They have quite a few good young pitching specs, they seem to want to contend right now, and they're on the west coast, which plays into their favor when trying to resign Garland. I'd love to get a couple of their pitching specs.

QUOTE(Pierzynski 12 @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 11:39 PM) Man,all of you guys worry about are the damn stats...........geez :headshake You have a better quantifiable measurement of performance? I'm always for improvement of the current system.

QUOTE(KWs OK for Me @ Dec 18, 2005 -> 01:03 AM) And at the deadline if he is something 9-11 or 7-11 his value has drastically gone down. If Garland's record is 9-11 or 7-11 on July 31, either he's had a decision in nearly all of his starts, or he's been drastically overworked.

QUOTE(spiderman @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 04:33 PM) After skimming through all the fun trade scenarios, whether it's trading Garland (and others) for Blalock, Tejada, Crawford, etc, would you be happy if Kenny Williams trades Garland for a good prospect or two ? I know the minor league system is one reason we were able to get Thome, and Vazquez, but I also want to repeat next season. I'd rather have Garland, and McCarthy out of the bullpen (as insurance in case of injury) then have the minor league system get reloaded (potentially). What say you ? Well, the going rate for Garland at the moment is supposedly two pitching prospects. If those two pitching prospects have produced and are talented, why not do it? I'd rather see a big name offensive player coming to the Sox, but the team was built on pitching and defense, so improving the pitching and/or defense further can only help.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Dec 17, 2005 -> 11:42 PM) Who was the last successful closer in Atlanta not named John Smoltz? John Rocker

Where's the Abreu deal I sent in? I guess it was too feasible to put in the article.

QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 11:49 PM) I don't post a whole lot in PHT mainly because of threads like "The Evil Kenny Williams" and the numerous ones in the past. Every move KW made was lambasted & if he didn't make a move he was lambasted. It was like him walking on water and then getting yelled at for not swimming. From our future HOF catcher Miguel Olivo being traded to get our mediocre starter Freddy Garcia...to whining that all KW got was Blum during the midseason trade deadline...to the recent doom and gloom about El Duque getting traded for Vazquez... I am getting so sick of it, I could puke geysers of blood out of my eyes. For f***'s sake, they just won the goddamn World Series. Methinks KW has some idea about what he is doing. He's made excellent moves. While it angers me a little bit that Duque left, I just remembered his forays as a starter earlier last season. If I wanted to see four balls that often, I'd be out renting XXX gay porn. Rowand leaving was bad but you can't make an omlete without breaking a few eggs. With a hurt Frank Thomas being a liability & Kong being a FA, KW had to shore up some much needed power in the lineup. The fact that Thome then went and assisted us in getting Kong (and much needed protection in the lineup) only makes our lineup that much more devastating -- plus how funny is it that we screwed the Angels out of two major power bats? Not to mention the fact that the minors are stocked with outfielders coming out the yin yang so Rowand is replaceable. I think Vazquez will find his form. Look at the job that Cooper has done with players that have the raw, untapped potential & getting them to perform well (Garland, The Count, etc.) So please people...think before posting because I (and I'm sure tons of others) don't appreciate the doom and gloom. Crack open a beer, realize the Sox won the Series, drink and then realize that -- despite the whining, we've got another season ahead of us in a few months because with some of the bile being thrown around here, I almost thought I missed all 162 games of the '06 season. /end.rant. Let me just say... BEST POST EVER!

I voted for the best option (this poll IS confusing and my eyes DO hurt), but I think his next move will be to get Abreu or Crawford.

I said Abreu when the Vazquez deal came out, I'm saying Abreu now. White Sox get: OF Bobby Abreu Phillies get: SP Jon Garland minor leaguer I wouldn't be disappointed with a Crawford deal though.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 01:39 AM) I'm not thrilled with the trade but wasn't Jeremy Reed supposed to be awesome, too. He sucked last year. Ditto Olivo whom I loved as a Sox. Didn't hit for squat. Is this guy supposed to be better than Reed was? Just askin. He has better talent, but this deal basically breaks down like this: Chris Young for Javier Vazquez Luis Vizcaino for cash and they take El Duque's $4.5 million salary Is it really all that bad?

QUOTE(hi8is @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 05:42 AM) f***ing horrible! you didnt even speculate who the pitchers are GOD!

Garland/Contreras + prospect for Abreu Dye for MR + spec or 2 good MRs How's that for speculation?

I think Contreras or Garland + prospect would get it done. Maybe I'm overvaluing those guys though.

Anyone else think an Abreu deal is forthcoming? I don't know why, I just have a feeling it might happen. The Sox are pretty much the only team that has what they want.

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 03:41 AM) Makes a lot of sense for DBacks, as they add a super prospect to their already loaded farm system. I think we'll know why the Sox did this move in about 10 days. Okay, so they add to a strength and subtract from a weakness, just like the Sox did. As of now, dumb move IMO. If there's a pen arm + spec for Garland deal on the back end, good move.

I have one question: Why the hell was this done? Garland for Vazquez makes about a thousand times more sense for both teams. This trade leaves me scratching my head.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 06:55 PM) This'll cheer ya up. I JUST put a link to that clip up. (see the post above yours)

It's peanut butter jelly time... http://media.putfile.com/ITS-PEANUT-BUTTER-JELLY-TIME63

QUOTE(chitownsportsfan @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 12:43 PM) I found this interesting quote from the Sox management in an article about judging player value in the New York Times Interesting stuff. I think the "different popular method" used to determine victories is : Pythagorean Winning Percentage RF^2 ------------- RF^2 + RA^2 # RF = runs scored; RA = runs allowed. I'm not a huge proponent of this formula because I think it misjudges how "good" teams find ways to win close games that hasn't yet been determined from statistical analysis and probably never will. The confidence the Sox had in late innings and the calm hand of Ozzie (mostly) helped the White Sox outperform their pythagorean by 8 games. Still, I'm glad that KW is thinking analytically as well as traditionally about player aquisitions. Personally, I predict Thome and BA will be worth more like 30 more runs than Frank and Rowand. I don't have any stats to back that up though! 2 MAJOR factors that I think throw that projection way off: Good bullpens (usually will make a team win more than the pythagorean projection) and (JMO here) runs that are scored at the end of games that mean absolutely nothing to the outcome of the game (while I've seen nothing to prove or disprove this, I'd bet that this will make a team win less than their pythagorean projection). QUOTE(chitownsportsfan @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 01:09 PM) The Sox were built on run prevention (pitching + defense) because the market was undervaluing these skills. That is what made the Sox so efficient with their modest payroll in 2005. Well, I don't think pitching was undervalued (see: Russ Ortiz, Carl Pavano), but otherwise that argument is true and makes sense.