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The White Sox would be crazy to take Singer over Bohm or Madrigal.

MLBPipeline is very hedgy with their grades. They rarely give a grade above 60 or below 40 unless it's a pitcher with a 100 MPH fastball (80 fastball) or a slugger with no speed and poor athleticism (20 speed). The best thing to use their grades for is to determine if someone has a freakishly good or bad tool. They don't think that about Madrigal. I trust Fangraphs a lot more than MLBPipeline or Law (who I think is worse than MLBPipeline), and they gave him 70 hit 70 speed 60 field 50 arm 50 game power. That sounds a lot more like the player I've seen than a guy with 20 power.

All three are college pitchers.

Stats are not the only measure, but they're used. Here are the Fangraphs grades for each: Pitcher A: FB 55/55 CB 50/55 CH 50/55 CMD 50/55 Sits 90-94 Tops 95 Pitcher B: FB 55/55 CB 45/50 CH 45/50 CMD 45/55 Sits 91-94 Tops 96 Pitcher C : FB 60/60 SL 50/55 CH 55/60 CT 60/65 CMD 45/50 Sits 92-96 Tops 97

Rank these pitchers: Pitcher A: 16 G 15 GS 104.2 IP 139 K 21 BB 78 H 29 ER 2.49 ERA 0.95 WHIP 11.95 K/9 1.81 BB/9 6.62 K/BB Pitcher B: 13 G 13 GS 88.0 IP 92 K 18 BB 59 H 22 ER 2.25 ERA 0.88 WHIP 9.41 K/9 1.84 BB/9 5.11 K/BB Pitcher C : 15 G 15 GS 102.2 IP 140 K 10 BB 73 H 35 ER 3.07 ERA 0.81 WHIP 12.27 K/9 0.29 BB/9 14.00 K/BB

No one is grading him as 20 power, nor should they. That's about as logical as saying "If Singer is 20 control, you don't take him." Well, obviously, but no one is grading him as having 20 control.

If you're choosing between Madrigal and Singer, Madrigal is the far superior player.

That sucks. He was part of the group in Kanny (read: nearly the whole team) that looked ready for promotion.

Lots to like in that Birmingham game. Collins 2-4 with a 2B and BB. Continuing his May onslaught against AA pitching. Zavala 3-5 in his return game from the DL. Hopefully that signals that the performance drop was injury related. Dunning 7 IP 5 H 1 ER 0 BB 9 K. Ho-hum, just another great performance from Dane Dunning, which is pretty much what he's done since arriving in the Eaton trade. Maybe he's ready for AAA?

The little video I've seen of Bohm at the plate reminded me a whole lot of Frank Thomas, so if that's the hitter you're getting, I think you'd be okay with having to move him to 1B. Madrigal easily for this org, less so in general. Questionable hit tools don't do well with the Sox, and MI are more valuable, because if they don't work out at SS or 2B, they can move to 3B or OF. A C who doesn't work out only really has 1B as an option.

But then you get Bohm and all is well.

How do they get a 2-3 WAR player from their own grades? 70 hit 70 speed 60 field 50 game power 50 arm sounds like a 4-5 WAR player to me.

Just draft the 70 hit tool and be done with it.

He had the bad start, went to AAA, found some success, then came back up and had the good start and the ok start, as you put it. That seems like at least the possibility of something trending in the right direction.

I wasn't implying that anything was guaranteed, I'm just surprised by the talk of poor contact rates here while he's been hitting better than anything he's done previously since college. It could just be a hot streak, but those typically only last a couple weeks and aren't necessarily accompanied by a change in approach.

So are all of you who are concerned about his walk rate dropping not buying that the adjustment he made to his swing that resulted in him being a different caliber of hitter since is something that will last? You think he'll be back to hitting in the .220s instead of over .300 as he's done for a little over a month now? Because May Zack Collins extrapolated over a full season would be an all-star at any position, and an MVP candidate at C.

Eat the money, see if you can get a prospect out of it. It's not like this franchise is going to be cash strapped this year.

Well according to Fangraphs, he's like Kevin Newman if Kevin Newman was about a full grade better at just about everything.

Because he can run fast and scouts love his defense. This is what people were saying about Turang last year when he was getting 1-1 buzz. Maybe this kid's bat will fare better. I think Adley Rutschman is much more likely to be in that conversation on this date next year.

Game power refers to in game power production such as XBHs, where raw power refers to how far/hard the player can hit the ball when he squares it up. To me, this suggests that they think the hit tool will carry his power production beyond what you'd expect from seeing the raw power. I know that feel. I identified Larnach before anyone was really talking about him as a first rounder and hoped that he was a guy who would fly under the radar, but that the Sox would notice him while scouting Madrigal and nab him at 46. Now it looks like he could go as high as the early teens.

Anyone have his vs. LHP numbers since April 24 or even just in May?

Fangraphs finally released their 2018 draft rankings. Lots of interesting stuff there. They gave Madrigal a 70 hit tool grade, along with 70 speed, 60 field, 50 arm, 50 (game) power, 45 (raw) power. Those are all future grades, of course, but the game power grade being higher than the raw suggests that they also feel the hit tool is so good that it will carry the power numbers with some XBH production that you might not expect from his raw power. They're also really high on Larnach in comparison to most places.

Ron, we talked about this. If you want him to perform well, you have to bash him.

If they draft Madrigal, I'd think they'd start him at W-S. I'd be stunned if they started him in Kanny.

Greg, if you're so convinced that Abreu can be a key component to the next competitive White Sox team, then why are you so against trading him? The timeline looks like 2020 at this point, and he can be resigned for the 2020 season. If you trade him, you get more building blocks for 2020-20??, and he can be resigned for 2020. If you keep him, you get production that is counterproductive to team goals for 2018 and 2019. I'm hoping that this rebuild sticks like the 90s-00s Braves, and that's more likely if they trade Abreu than if they don't.