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These lineups and pitching staffs look fantastic, and the best part is most of them leave off several legitimate prospects and none of them include slotting in things like "2018 First Round pick" or "2019 First Round pick", both of which should also add tremendously talented players to the system. If things break well for the White Sox, this could be a dynasty. Even getting average breaks, this team should be a playoff contender for many years starting in the early 2020s.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 4, 2017 -> 10:56 PM) Profar would be a great get, but 2B is obviously taken up, and when Cordell is healthy, it would be hard to find MLB playing time for him (assuming Avi is back, Leury is healthy, etc.) Can Profar play SS, 3B, and OF? If so, you may be able to Zobrist him. Just rotate him all around the defensive positions and DH to get him into the lineup everyday.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 4, 2017 -> 10:46 PM) Over his last 18 2/3 IP, Carlos Rodon has 31 K's. 14.94 K/9 is good, right? It's okay. Works out to 332 Ks per 200 IP.

Signing Brown as a buy low, flip high guy isn't a terrible idea. On Profar, if the price is right (see: cheap), pick him up. More talent is better.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 06:04 PM) I do wonder if they won't be in the 2019 offseason FA pool just because of the names that are there, but we'll see. Players like Machado and Harper don't come along often, especially in FA. If the Sox can get one of them, it will really kickstart this process.

This is exactly the type of trade the White Sox need to be making. Looks like Hahn is going to trade anything that isn't nailed down.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 03:57 PM) Cubs and Sox fans hate each other, but we have to worry about losing Sox fans to the Cubs. Those two things don't go together. Because you're missing two key demographics in your analysis: casual fans and those who haven't yet formed an allegiance. Of course diehards aren't going to switch, they don't really factor into the considerations one would have when making a move such as this.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 02:41 PM) This all reeks of being more worried about the Cubs being bad versus the White Sox being good, which is exactly what JR had to consider here. When this question comes up there is post after post about the Cubs and Cubs fans. I mean it can't be any clearer that the Sox fan base has a ton of Cubsession. If you'd take a step back from your agenda for a moment, you'd realize that it has nothing to do with what you're saying, and everything to do with market share and business. From a business perspective, trading with the Cubs hurts the White Sox more than trading with, say, the Mariners, because of the market share they will lose as part of that trade. Thus, it is entirely reasonable for an owner to want to protect his business and therefore his investment by ensuring that he's levying additional value in the trade to compensate for that, a sort of "tax", if you will (and you should, because even Hoyer did last offseason). The reasoning here actually expands beyond baseball, rather than representing a "devolution" to the level of "meathead fans".

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 02:19 PM) I believe your assumption that for Sox fans being a Cub fan, or going to Cub games is a substitute is 100% wrong. The MUCH more likely outcome for an upset Sox fan is they quit going to games and watching games, as we have seen this happen in the past. You're not accounting for casual fans and people who have not yet formed an allegiance. These are the people that the White Sox are potentially losing with these (necessary) business decisions.

Hopefully to AA and the AFL.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 21, 2017 -> 08:02 PM) In today's KLaw chat, he said Blake has no shot at all of staying in CF. he did say that the rebuild has been excellent The rebuild has been excellent, but he likes literally no one the Sox have acquired. How do you offer both of these opinions simultaneously?

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 09:11 AM) https://twitter.com/JoeO670/status/890205827193327616 Unbelievable. Why? Is anyone going to deny he's a smart businessman? He understands the market share he's giving up sending them Q, and wanted to make sure that the package received was enough to justify that additional cost.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 23, 2017 -> 07:08 PM) A four game win streak would be really nice right about now. Followed by a 12 game losing streak to balance it out.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Jul 22, 2017 -> 03:40 PM) he's just not that good. much of his value last year was due to his surprising defense, which appears to have been an anomaly based on his minor league track record and results from this year. His power last year was also surprising, and that could continue to develop, but bottom line is you can't have an obp of .266 On a rebuilding team, why not? If he's going to have a bad year in his career, this is the perfect time for it, for many reasons. First, this year doesn't matter, so his struggles are helping the team accomplish their goals. Second, it lets the org know that a lack of depth at SS is unacceptable because there's a chance he could not be a ML caliber SS.

Stanton and $100 million for Guerrero, Call, and Adolfo

Does Kopech get to AAA this year?

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 06:16 PM) There's numbers that back up his improvement as well. Where can these numbers be found? I'd like them for quick reference when people say there's no evidence of improvement.

I think the A+ catchers are both interesting and have future ML potential. I think people are unreasonably down on Collins right now because he's not hitting in the .250 range, but if the reports on his defense are true, that combined with low BABIP is a very reasonable explanation. As for SS, there's still a chance Tim Anderson becomes what he looked like throughout the minors, and I'd be surprised if in the next 2 drafts, the White Sox didn't pick a SS with one of these picks, which will certainly fill that organizational hole.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 04:50 PM) What about instead of Machado, we sign Nolan Arenado? Sure, if Arenado was a free agent that year, but he's not. Machado will be 25 at that time, meaning he'll fit ideally with the core of the team, and he'll fill a position that is likely to still be a need.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 08:58 PM) Anderson and Rodon will recover. Too much talent. Sometimes things just don't go the way we would like. I think it is a learning experience for the youngsters Exactly. They learn and take their developmental lumps now, the team gets a higher draft pick, they're good and accompanied by more talent in competitive years. It's win/win.

QUOTE (Jack Parkman @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 08:46 PM) Rodon, if he figures it out, will take a while. He will be in the 26-28 age range if he ever does. He might make a journeyman career with pitching coaches thinking they can get the most out of his stuff if he never figures it out. Unfortunately, if he figures it out, it will be too late for the Sox. He will have either been traded or it will be year or two of good pitching before he walks. He's 24, coming off an injury that's held him out most of the year, and pitching against the best team in baseball. I'm pretty sure this one rough outing doesn't doom him to failure.

QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 08:43 PM) Asche is up to .351 while hitting for power & drawing a ton of walks. At some point it seems a little ridiculous to keep a 27 year old with a ~180 wRC+ in the minors. AAAA players look really good in AAA.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 04:59 PM) This article compares Rutherford's stock to Giolito this past offseason http://nypost.com/2017/07/19/sonny-gray-ma...kees-next-step/ I don't think that's what it said, as they say the Yankees felt he'd develop into a very good player (Paul O'Neill was pretty good). Even if they were down on him, the reason given was timeframe, meaning he'd be a much better fit for the White Sox on that basis anyway.

I really hope they sign Machado in the 2018-2019 off-season.

QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 11:00 AM) I'm sure this has already been posted, but for anyone who still thinks Kahnle is headed to worthless territory in a few months, here is a nice article with detailed breakdown on Kahnle's success. Also includes a nice comparison of him to another well known reliever. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-white-s...jor-trade-chip/ But Fangraphs is also a major proponent of ABTR. It's very possible that Kahnle has improved to this new level of performance, but he's am arm injury away from losing all his value even in that scenario, which is the most optimistic one. Considering that ABTR has never applied to the White Sox as much as it does right now, extracting what value could be extracted for Kahnle now was the smart move.