TaylorStSox

The Sox didn't receive much national scrutiny, and the average fan didn't care that he was falsely accused of domestic violence. The clubhouse was fractured by Grandal and Lynn, not Clevinger.

The tremendous value we got out of Clevinger was a team effort. You're right.

Clevinger was worth $22.5M in WAR for the Sox and was paid $12M. Fantastic value. .

I said "as a White Sox." Between Clevinger and Fedde, Getz has done a fantastic job signing FA pitchers.

Agreed. He was surplus value. Fantastic signing. We'll be lucky if Wilson is as good.

Clevinger was a 3 WAR pitcher for the Sox.

Again, Kat and Bannister must be doing a great job coaching the worst team in history and not even having the worst pitching production in baseball for that year. They're clearly ahead of the curve.

Hate Field is gonna be a good time next year.

So a team that's been historically bad and traded the majority of their pitching staff still managed to be in right in the middle in pitching production? I'd say that's pretty incredible. Katz and Bannister must know what they're doing.

That's not what gaslighting means.

Yet, you still found time to post 33 times a day during the year. Your interest couldn't have been that low.

At least I only do it once every week or so.

There's no difference between 120 losses and 100 losses. Sucking is sucking. The Sox aren't relevant enough to be a "national laughing stock." Nobody cares. We're also going to be really bad next year. It's going to take a long time to dig out of this hole. When the entire team is made up of highly touted prospects and Lance Lynn, and all but 3 fail, you don't have any assets and you can't jumpstart a rebuild. Getz has done a reasonable job taking a handful of players with some value and turning them into one of the better farms in baseball. Hopefully we see some progress from it. You can spend all your time crying about it or hope for the best. Baseball is fun when you're good and funny when you're terrible.

That was all standard GM speak that every single GM in every single sport says. Of course he knew we were going to suck. He's been getting rid of every single asset possible and replacing them with replacement level players, at best. This is a teardown and rebuild situation.

Who has said he's done a great job? Who's getting piled on? SS2K and West Eddy just have the exact same conversation every single day and nobody wins. It just plays out like Grumpy Old Men.

I don't think anybody has blind faith in Getz. The reality is that he's the GM and nothing is going to change that. Some of us would rather support him and hope he does well rather than spend all our time being negative.

This is really, really dramatic. Free agents don't sign with the Sox anyway, and if no other city wants the franchise, that's a good thing. In reality, the Sox could lose 140 games next year and still be more attractive than at least 10 other franchises in baseball.

Thankfully, literally nobody said any of those things.

Destroying their credibility? What does that even mean?

And he identified this as a hole and revamped the system. People learn. They grow.

MLB regulars. You know I don't play the stupid anti-White Sox clique thing on this board.

I still like Gonzalez. He's still only 22. It's too early to call him a bust. I would bet a large sum that at least 2 of those IF's between 15 and 19 will be MLB regulars. That's a really strong top 20.

That kid's super likable, isn't he?

375/15/50. OBP .539. Set the Cal single season record with 60 walks. Vaughn was an incredible college hitter.

This isn't nearly as true as it used to be.