TaylorStSox

That hiatus didn't last long.

That's it? What a let down of an end to a nonsensical exchange. Sober up, my friend.

If you think the Sox and Twins are similar, aside from being small to mid market AL teams, make a case for it. They operate completely differently and have for most of my life.

You're not making any sense whatsoever.

What are you talking about? This is the weirdest exchange. Let's start from the beginning. Caufield went on some Caufield rant about how the Twins are like the Sox except for, mostly drivel I didn't bother reading... Because Caufield. I said they don't have anything in common... Because, well, they don't. Totally different philosophies. Then you start making weird projections about things I never said. Are you drunk? It's early man.

When did I ever they didn't. In this thread I've said: 1. The Sox and Twins have nothing in common. 2. The Twins are a better franchise. What in the hell are you even talking about?

The Twins last won the world series 29 years ago. I'm not sure how that's relevant, but whatever. You're not even making sense this morning, grumpy cat.

The Twins are too risk averse. They operate as a high floor/low ceiling franchise. That's why they're never an actual threat in the playoffs. They're just outclassed.

Because they're a better franchise? I'm not even sure what the last sentence means. Since I don't spend my free time crying on the internet about things I can't change, I can't be objective?

Maybe he's talking about the Borchard signing bonus, which at the time was a record. It was $5.3M. Cheap ass Jerry.

Aside from being in the AL, I can't think of one thing the Sox and Twins have in common.

So you right about Tatis when he was a huge prospect? Well, that's dandy. If you're gonna say you were right about him, you better have been throwing shade in the trade thread. I'm sure you'll be able to find some posts. Iirc, there was only 1 poster on the entire board that really liked Tatis at the time. A lot of people didnt want Shields, but it wasn't because they valued Tatis. Didn't you say Puig was as good as Mickey Mantle? You went on for months and updated your own thread daily. I have no idea what Jose Abreu has to with that.

Can you post the thread where you were "right" about Tatis. From what I remember, there was only 1 poster on the Future Sox board who was right about Tatis. I think it might have been @Heads22. You weren't just wrong about Puig. You were as wrong as anyone has ever been about anything, it went on for months, and it was insanely obnoxious.

Yeah, that's not gonna be a no from me. Kopech throws harder, but has much worse balance and a much higher effort delivery. Kopech might have a better peak, but Cease has an incredibly rare low effort/high velocity delivery. Watch some clips of Cease and pay attention to the separation he gets from his upper body to lower body. It's extraordinary. If he can ever master his release point, we're looking at a top 10 pitcher for a very long time.

I'd prefer he didn't do that.

I believe the answer is Catfish Hunter in '75.

This is front runner for the hot take of the day. I'm sure Caulfield will beat it though.

Okay. He's still one of many examples of players completely falling off in their prime. It probably happens in baseball more than any other sport.

He's exactly what we thought he'd be defensively - solid, good hands, not much range and below average athleticism relative to other SS. I'm down with hating on the Sox development staff, but Semien is exactly the player you should not use as evidence.

This just isn't how it went down.

I meant Eaton.

For some reason I find the Semien revisionism frustrating. I think it's just that a group of us loved him as a prospect. That's just not how it went down. He was the main piece in what they thought would be either a lower end #1 or upper end #2. It wasn't just that they gave up on him, didn't develop him, or misidentified his talent.

It happens a fair amount. Here's just a quick list of players associated with the Sox that fell apart during their "prime years" - Rowand, Engel, Dye (had a resurgence), Dunn, Crede, Freddy Garcia, Jose Contreras (also had a resurgence). You can even make the argument for Frank, but Frank was still so good that he just transitioned into a pure power hitter after he lost all his bat speed.

Nobody is going to turn this roster into a patient one. Moncada is the only one with a really high obp profile, and it was obvious he made an effort to be more aggressive because he got jobbed so much last year with 2 strikes.

The Sox never gave up on him. That's bullshit. A lot of us hated that trade at the time because Semien showed tons of potential. They made the wrong call going with Micah Johnson, not giving up on Semien.