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The dude's lower body is transformed from when he came into the league. Every pitcher is an injury risk but with a surgically repaired elbow and his power and length he's as good as bet as any to give you two really strong years before you really gotta pay him. We're talking like 360 innings, 10 or so fWAR and that all important ace come playoffs.

As I said at the time. He had like a 99th percentile season. I'd love to keep watching him on the South Side but the smart thing to do is sell at absolute peak value. Of which he is at. He has much more value than Cease. Cease is a nice pitcher. Garrett right now is one of the 3-5 best pitchers in MLB.

I wish I could place a prop bet on negative fWAR for this latest dumpster drive.

Who are we hiring for win prevention coach?

We're aiming for 150 losses.

Yup. It's scary. It's like he's using this forum as a sounding board for the worst ideas to come out of this FO.

Exactly. There's good points made on both sides in this thread, but your point stands alone as the most relevant. We're so far away from where we want to be.

There's a lottery? WTF. Did not know that. Well f*** my plan then.

He'll go to LA and put up a 5 WAR season. Book it.

Pros: outside org hire: Cons: almost everything else. Willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. But we've hired patsy managers over and over since Guillen and the one time we went all against that with TLR it was also a disaster. We've shown no ability to hire a manager that is above replacement and that can work with the FO closely.

I think it's up there somewhere in the top left, that red shifted star.

Who?

Sure, except without Manfred ball rules fucking us. Getting 1,1 immediately injects like 10 projected WAR into our system, at min. That's exactly what we need. It's hard for even 'tard clubs to screw that up.

Sign nobody and tank for #1 would be my plan. If you tender vaughn it's simply as trade bait and to fill a roster spot with a 0-1 WAR type that will be a tank commander.

I think it's because Chris Getz was a bad deputy, was hired because apparently it was a "shortcut" to the next good Sox team and that his stated goal of a better pitching and defense led team led to a league worst defense, an absolutely awful staff outside Crochet, and oh yea 121 losses. If that guy was named billy bean or dombrowski he'd be getting questioned. But when you are Chris Getz, with his track record? Any real org would have never hired him in the first place!

Congrats on bringing the org into a 21st century chart. That means absolutely jack squat. That's like saying the pilot fixed the problem with the landing gear when the plane is about to crash at 500mph into the pacific ocean. Just to expand on this there are numerous necessary conditions to field a good team, they are, in no real order: 1) good scouting 2) good drafting 3) good FA signings 4) good coaching, MLB and MILB Now, analytics and inter org communication are probably necessary for those things, but they are certainly not sufficient. The single most important position is to install a GM who hires and runs a great org. There isn't a single data point we have in the last 10 years that JR is capable of doing that.

Can't get fooled again. Nothing will change until the owner does.

At least those teams had Calvin Johnson and Stafford. There weren't very good, but they were fairly entertaining and had a GOAT type doing GOAT things weekly. No disrespect to Crochet, but he's no Calvin Johnson type.

I get it, but if the team moves, what are we going to do? I'm not going to follow the Nashville Hot Chickens.

I'd be fine with that. Same franchise, same history, just a new owner. It would suck to not have a team for a minute but long term that would be the best thing for us fans imo. Just clear the entire JR stink out.

They can't continue as the Sox, f*** that.

Yea if they move I'm not following them. Would probably just become a Mets fan, a very half assed casual one.

Sounds like a s%*# ploy to try and get a new stadium subsidized one way or another.

Doesn't sound like they have the money he'd want.

It was just a poor use of resources given how things shook out. hindsight is 20/20 but if you're trading away cost controlled young pitching and not really going all out to win after that you're just half assing it. In isolation it was a fair trade, in context of the overall team building it was a mistake.