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QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jun 6, 2014 -> 03:49 PM) And this would be another case where "advanced metrics" would be really stupid. You don't need advanced metrics to tell you a DH only 34 year old that hits 25-30 HRs a year but can't hit above 230 isn't worth anything to anyone. Seriously, he'll be lucky to get a two year deal totaling 10 million. Much more likely is a one year deal at 4-6 million. No thanks, the Sox have better, cheaper options.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 6, 2014 -> 03:25 PM) Jose Abreu is my response. Specifically, for the first couple weeks of the season, Abreu's footwork at 1b was on the verge of getting his ankle broken every time he received a throw. IIRC it led to an error/run scoring in Colorado or something like that. Jose Abreu is 26 and has been playing 1b longer than Garcia has played by several years, but in all that time, no one had ever coached him how to correctly plant his feet while taking throws at 1b. After that error, suddenly the next couple days he was doing it correctly. He got coaching and suddenly improved. That's a great example of a raw player who has played baseball all his life and still makes simple mistakes. Coaching makes a big difference sometimes. That's why in general you want guys that are athletic and have tools because those are the things you can't teach, right? If bet Avi is going to work his ass off this offseason to improve in RF and he'll have MLB quality coaching helping him along.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Jun 6, 2014 -> 02:21 AM) Why would the Astros and Marlins pass on Rodon? Because the Marlins are the Marlins and Houston gets a guy on par or slightly ahead of Rodon on talent at 20% savings,so they have more of their pool left later in the draft. Don't let anyone tell you different now or 5 years from now: the consensus is Rodon is very, very good. TINSSAAPP and all that, but Rodon is about as much as you'd hope for wrt to stuff, stats, and build. He'll easily be the Sox' best prospect and the "fast track" would have him coming out of the pen in September. Not saying Aiken or Kolek or anyone else drafted won't be better, but as of today, Rodon is a pretty damn good prize for a 99 loss season.

The Sox can get 3/4 Dunn's production at 1/4 the cost and maybe better production just from Viciedo. There is zero chance Dunn is back. I'm not even saying Viciedo is anything special -- thing is, neither is Adam Dunn at this point. What, his bounce back year is 230/330/500? That's simply not worth what he'll want to get paid, and that's best case scenario as far as his production.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 09:38 PM) https://twitter.com/fox32news/status/474726276620509185 Because, of course. Funnily enough when you google "Carlos Rondon" quite a few people have made the same mistake. Damn latin surnames.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 05:29 PM) Because that means giving up kids to win now. Plus our biggest problems are in the outfield and pitching. Nobody is going to give up pitching cheaply and you already have long term plans for Eaton and Garcia and maybe Viciedo. It's better to just let Viciedo do his thing and either give himself another year or enough rope to hang himself. It's not like what, 2010 I think, when they had a crater at 3B and trading for Youk immediately made them 2-3 wins better.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 09:27 PM) Part of me feels that with the Cubs picking behind the Sox, the Sox were a little more willing to go big and not have to answer questions about being cheap or avoiding Boras. I honestly don't think it had any impact. Hahn said repeadedly that money wasn't that big of a factor and if they guy they wanted was there they'd take him. That's what happened.

Huh the guy fangraphs has doing their draft chat says he has Rodon 1-2 on his board this year (with his current stuff) and that even with his minor blip this year in velocity and numbers he would have been 1-1 last year. Interesting, seems the Sox got a helluva talent here.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 07:56 PM) Lance Broadway was also a college pitcher and he didn't turn out well at all. come on man trigger warnings!

So, coming off a near 100 loss season I think this is pretty much best case scenario. With guys like Rodon, Sale, Abreu, Garcia, Q, etc signed long term, we got a real chance to have a long period of sustained success.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 06:43 PM) Looks like my Mariners-Jackson prediction may come true They gotta be tickled pink. Jackson on the other hand is probably pretty pissed he might have to play half his games at Safeco.

Man some good bloodlines in the Gordon family. Was fairly impressed with Dee over the past few days.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 06:37 PM) Isn't Jackson in hs? Some say Zimmer, some say Pentecost, there's a lot of different opinions. Conforto, etc. Yea sorry screwed that up was just looking to call out Gammons. Jackson is in HS, and a stud.

QUOTE (Nokona @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 06:36 PM) Brian Cartwright ‏@blcartwright 2h Kyle Schwarber 1.04 to Cubs Oliver peak (age 27) proj 330 wOBA 247/321/437 comps - Mike Carp, Ryan Roberts, S VanSlyke If you can get a Mike Carp at $4 you gotta do it. Wow, Jackson falling into the M's lap.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 06:35 PM) Wow we really really really f***ed over the Cubs seeing that. Nola should be perfect for them though Nah, they want a middling colllege bat apparently. Gammons, senile as he is, seems pretty convinced "he's the most advanced college bat". Uh, no, that's Jackson.

Haha, Cubs are going to regret passing on Jackson.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 06:32 PM) This is one of those moves that even if Rodon is a complete bust, no one should complain about the Sox drafting him. It's 100% the right move. For sure.

QUOTE (knightni @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 06:30 PM) Has a team ever succeeded with 4 lefty starters? Better question, has a team with a decent offense and a 1,2,3 as good as Sale, Q, and Rodon (could be) ever failed? I mean that's like Braves 90's all over again dominant front line staff.

Seems like the draft never really works out how we Sox fans want it, well it f***ing worked out this year we'll see if it pans out!

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 06:23 PM) Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan 2m Carlos Rodon was the absolute unquestioned No. 1 overall pick coming into the season. He still wants 1-1 money. This could get fascinating. People are stuck in the past. He has no leverage.

Yes!!!!!

IT HAPPENED HE'S OURS!!!!! WELCOME RODON!

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 06:07 PM) Yup. I'm just waiting for someone to come in and bug me right when the Sox are on the clock. Ha, I own a computer shop, today has been absolute hell, lotta tough driver installs just finally finished a couple up in perfect timing for Sox' pick. Hopefully no customers walk in when they are making the pick!

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 06:48 PM) Kolek won't be ready for 3-4 years. We have no idea what our rotation looks like then. Well Q and Sale are both locked up for the next 5+ years, so barring massive, career threatening injuries, both should be there and still in their prime.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 05:24 PM) Yes! Im totally on the fence when trying to choose between Rodon, Nola or Kolek. f*** it, just draft Jackson. I will be thrilled with Aiken, very happy with Jackson or Rodon, and happy with Nola or Kolek. Not really any outcome where they aren't getting a very good prospect but some are a little more exciting than others.