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I think your sig says it all Hammerhead: Frank is the greatest "clean" hitter of his generation. Trying to denigrate him with meaningless stats in the face of his OPS numbers from his prime is asinine.

Lol, I only have 400 some posts and I found myself saying that on the Frank/Thome thread... No way I get caught up in the "Frank only hits solo shots because he's not a winner" argument again...but then I sunk into it. I probably have to agree with you Kalapse--at least in this moment this early morning. Japan has a hell of a league probably the "AAAA" that some have called it. Their players shouldn't be eligible.

Yea, because when Frank hit his HR it tied it up 1-1. I suppose you think Frank should be blamed for the horrible A's pitching in this game as well? Yea, I'm sure Frank was sitting in the dugout thinking, "man, I hope nobody is on base when I get up, because then I'll try harder because I hate playing for the team." Give me a break man. I suppose that Barry Bonds is also crap (aside from every other reason to hate him and say he's crap) because in his 73 HR season the Giants didn't make the playoffs? Get real. Somehow I have a feeling that Frank could go 4-4 with 4 solo shots, and everyone else could strikeout every time--and you'd say he's selfish and "only hits HR's when it doesn't count". GMAFB

I'll say it again: No way. I'll make a bet that we don't win 98, if you're game.

Exactly. One thing sabemetricians do better than projection is explaining how runs are scored. I think baserunners, baserunners, baserunners, XBH's sums it up pretty well. Play for 1 run and you'll get 1 run.

Hey, I here that point Kalapse. It's funny that Japanese players would be "penalized" for their league being so good. I go back and forth on the issue myself. On my way downstairs for another beer I thought how wonderful it is that baseball is a hit in Japan--really shows that baseball is a classic game that can be popular in a variety of cultures.

The Chicago White Sox hit the 4th most HR's in MLB in 2005. Hurray small ball!

Well this being a discussion board and all I thought we'd talk about it.

Frank hit another HR tonight! Congrats to the Big Hurt in his quest for 500. Moments ago, he lined out to the SS--looks like the Frank we came to love at the plate is in full effect. Too bad health had to drive him away from the Sox's plans this year. Still, I wish him the best, and commend KW for making the tough decision to let the franchise's all-time player walk away in the best interests of the team.

What about that catcher from Japan the Mariners got: Jinjo or something. He's started off very hot. This opens up a whole new argument about Japanese (or other foreign players) eligibility. I say let 'em have it: rookie is rookie.

Yea, I don't understand Lee making the list as high as he did. He had one great season where he managed to raise his average over 59 points higher than his career average. Let me repeat that: 59 points! He is never going to repeat 2005--never. He'll likely be the same 120 OPS+ hitter he's always been. Maybe it's his defense at 1B? Although 1B defense isn't that important. I don't know, just trying to rationalize the unreasonable..

Silver is a Tiggers fan? Your guess is as good as mine. Kong shouldn't have made the list--although he's critical on the Sox, he's nearing the end of his career, and although a good hitter, isn't "great' for a 1B making what he's now making.

Right, kinda like a "top 50 players by value over the rest of their career". One thing I think they overlook is Buehrle's sparkling healthy and inning eating ability. His ability to pitch 200+ innings of above average LHP year after year without a hint of arm trouble makes him quite unique--and valuable.

How about a "diminished skills" clause?

I see that BP has now teamed up with ESPN--this is first sign of the apocaylpse. They list their "50 most valuable"--but MB is nowhere to be found. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story...e=silver/060418 Pretty large oversight if you ask me. Dave at USSMARINER had MB as his 10th most valuable this offseason. http://ussmariner.com/?p=2788 Pull no punches, sharpen your knives--discuss your hatred for BP and why MB should have made the list. As a sabermetric follower, I still can't stand them.

100 wins? No way. I still have lots of concerns: the bullpen Scott Pods' dumb baserunning Jon Garland the lineup outside of Kong, Gooch, Dye, and Thome Wow, still haven't even played 10%. The season is something I love about baseball, it's everyday, and yet it's so long that it's spread out over spring, summer, and fall.

Hey, I disagree! as does everyone with half a brain. Vasquez pitched well, he was over 100 pitches, and the bullpen needed some work. Nothing to complain about.

Buehrle is going to get his, and I bet he's looking for his last big contract--which means 4 years isn't going to get it done. I see the contract being 5 years 65 million at the least. 5 years 70 million seems about right. I'd try and backload it, so that salary inflation doesn't make a 5th year at 16-18 million look so bad. With the contracts signed by mediocre pitching this offseason, I expect Mark's value to be very, very high.

OMG Ozzie that racist Venezulean f*ck! LOL, does Ozzie have a joke writer? That is pretty funny.

I really like how Ozzie keeps everyone loose. I'm sure everyone that has played any level of baseball and struggled at the plate knows that it's always helpful to have your manager express some humor/confidence in you.

Empirically, the Sox have proved they are a great organization as far as avoiding arm trouble with their pitchers. I'm not worried at all about BMAC.

Wow, the Mets at 5-1 is what makes Vegas a very profitable enterprise. You'd have to be a) a homer Mets fan, or B) a complete 'tard to take those odds right now. Good post, thanks for the info--I'll continue to ignore the mainstream media's "power rankings" unless posted here.

Does he get votes? You're kidding right? Surely you jest? Thomas is a HOFER no matter what he does this season, or even last season for that matter. His run in the 90's--without a whiff of 'roids suspicion--is one of the greatest offensive production runs ever. By modern definitions of success like OBP and OPS--he is way over the necessary barriers to get into the hall. He was a monster at the plate, and average defensively--although I always laughed at his throwing motion. Thomas will go down as one of the greatest hitters of all time.

Hehe, you must have missed the part about this article being two years old?

I'm much more concerned with his falling BA and OBP. I don't think this is really anything that says either way whether he did 'roids or didn't. Personally I think roid usage isn't the worst thing in the world, but it certainly takes away from the integrity of the game. If he did 'roids fine--it sure didn't help him hit many balls out during his time in SF--when he was batting over .300 but hitting very few homers.