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I def like the idea of trading Eloy for a couple A ball lotto tickets pichers or a scrap heap type prospect that is coming off injury or poor performance. We are not in a contention window, we aren't magically adding 20 WAR in the offseason. We need to start finding the next 4 guys that are going to be part of a solid rotation. Right now we might have 2 average or better SP in the entire org.

Good arguments and after reading them I agree, look to trade Eloy, just keep Vaughn and hope he turns from a pumpkin into a prince. @The Mighty Mite with all due respect, the only number that matters for Vaughn is wRC+ and he finished at 103. 20HR from your butcher at 1B when he's not getting on base enough is nothing to write home about. RBIs, yea, maybe Hawk likes them still.

It's true they aren't blocking anybody but I'm really not convinced either guy is anything more than a 1 WAR player. It's a real bummer.

They combined for .7 fWAR. They were a staggering -27 runs below average defensively, even for players on the wrong side of the defensive spectrum adjustment that's impressive suck. Both guys actually outperformed their expected wOBA by half a dozen or so points each, so it wasn't like it was bad luck holding their batting lines back. Eloy had an average launch angle of 5.7 degrees, one of the worst of any MLB regular. Vaughn was at 11.2 but "warning track power" describes his game pretty well. Neither guy had an ISO to write home about, Eloy had .169 and Vaughn .171. Those are power numbers you'd expect from a decent 2B, not glorified designated hitters. Vaughn is certainly not an extension candidate and Eloy has club options for '25 and '26 at 16.5 million and 18.5 million respectively. Those are almost certainly not getting picked up. So in essence Eloy is under contract for next season and then that's it. Vaughn will stay cheap for a bit longer, but if he's replacement level, uh, who cares. Do you trade Eloy at rock bottom value? Or maybe hope he runs into a few next summer and you can get something better at the deadline? Do you pencil in Vaughn as the starter at 1B again given that he's shown no ability to be an average MLB player? There's more time to decide with him than Eloy, but again, replacement level play even when cheap isn't doing anybody any good. IMO I'd just trade both guys for whatever table scraps you can get and reboot. I don't really see how the Sox contend next year in any universe you might as well just start clearing dead wood and there is an opportunity cost keeping these guys around. There's really nothing in either guy's athletic or batted ball profile that screams "massive upside". Even if Vaughn starts to hit he's still a god awful 1B and even if Eloy starts to hit he's still an injury prone DH. Maybe he puts it together one season but it's not something the Sox need to worry about given how far they are from contending if he puts up a 4 fWAR season in 2024.

The way this franchise is trending by June of next season you'll just have a monthly game thread.

So we're the best at sucking?

Probably QB is slam dunk go play football and then maybe edge rusher and WR. But for defensive players, lineman? Go play baseball.

Kyler Murray is an interesting case. He got like 160 million guaranteed even tho he was pretty bad and then got hurt and probably won't get another contract. I guess if you're a QB the math changes a bit, but for most non QB guys I'd assume it's better to play baseball if you're a first rounder in both sports.

David Haugh is saying it's really bad. There's a ton of smoke. Right now my Bayesian position is moving further and further towards the raid def happened. We'll see.

Has to be much, much worse than some unwanted sexual harassment. Tucker got in trouble because of Title 9 and dipping his stick in the company pool. FBI doesn't get involved in that sort of thing. I'm not going to speculate beyond that, we'll see what he did.

He will be Mr. Manager.

lol. quite the box score.

Epic fail you losers.

Eloy is probably the poster child for the Sox' coaching failures. Defensively the were unable to get him a position, despite a decent athletic profile (certainly more fluid than Sheets) and offensively they never got him out of that terrible stance that basically concedes the inner 1/3 of the plate. Maybe that stance and approach works in the minors where pitchers are unable to consistently work the inside corner, but in MLB as we've seen it leads to a ton of swing and miss and weak contact into the ground. If he comes up in every other system he's a 4 WAR player that hits 270/330/520 and plays a -10 run LF but is able to play it. In our system he can't play the field without hurting himself and he can't slash better than 270/310/450.

Culture is downstream of talent and winning. For the most part anyways. Grandal and Moncada's main contribution to losing isn't their attitude, it's the combined 1.5 fWAR or whatever they've produced this season. Sadly we are looking at a multi year process to get competitive. This is a bad team with a lot of mediocre and bad players.

I attribute quite a bit of it to just how good of a natural athlete he is. A guy that was good enough to probably walk on and play a few minutes at IU basketball also good enough to be a 1st round MLB pick, that's not an archetype you see very often. I guess the last one Chicago drafted was TA, and that worked out, at least as a development story. Obviously the incredible zone control wasn't something you could anticipate but man when a talented athlete also has that ability to control the strike zone (as a LHB premium defender!) you have a unicorn. He'll probably be top 20 in all the offseason prospect lists I'd imagine. I just hope Chicago doesn't f*** it up somehow.

I've been here 18 year or so, when were these glory days? I remember before the site redesign, when the Sox were terrible and other Sox websites were much more popular than they are now relative to this one, and traffic was absolutely dead. The last few years on the site have been some of the best imo.

Overt or even subtle institutional racism is probably the one failing you can't currently put on the White Sox. Good job, orange slices all around!

At least Yoan plays a premium position well. Those two bums are softball players.

Vaughn REALLY wants that negative fWAR season. He can smell it.

Amazing how the latin guys on the vast majority of all the other teams don't have these issues. Pinning this as a "latin" thing is stupid. This is a WHITE SOX thing. Our white players are brain dead, our AA players are brain dead. Our SOX players are brain dead.

No s%*#. Some fucking nobody like Grifol isn't motivating a young athlete. I'd laugh in his loser face.

The players aren't dumb. They all know that they work for arguably the worst franchise in baseball. That cannot be good for players in the position of Colas. Colas' people are no doubt telling him that idiots are handling him and that the faster he gets out of Chicago the better. I'd assume most of the players in the org feel that way.