Balta1701

His career WaR right now is in the mid 50s, which is pretty low for a HoF starter. I wouldn’t call this open and shut if his career ended now.

Calling guys up based on artificial timetables and not because they earned it was a defining move of Rick Hahn’s GM career.

I did not expect to learn one of these details. https://bsky.app/profile/chgo-whitesox.bsky.social/post/3lbfpp2s3ws2x

I think that’s right, but I think we also didn’t hear those reports until like 9 months after it happened.

In 2022, both Moncada and Grandal were simply terrible. Moncada would have an occasional 5 hit day (really), and then the a week later he'd be back to 2 for his last 20 or something like that. It took until December until there was a report of "oh yeah both of them had major back injuries that they were playing through" report for us to know what was going on. Grandal even went on the IL for something like a Knee injury, but never did anything about the major back injury. That's for 2 big leaguers, we didn't learn the entire season why they were so bad. For a guy in Charlotte? Who is going to bother reporting that? Are any of the insiders these days going to leak something negative?

Ammo? Not sure what you mean, are you saying you think this guy could actually be traded for something useful? Or that he'll be so bad it will help their 2026 draft pick? Trying to follow the thought process here.

No, I complain about moves like Vaughn, Lopez, and Maldonado, where they spend $4.5 million or $6.5 million on negative value guys, because they always come back a few years later and cry poor. If you're going to lose 120, then don't spend $4 million here, $4.5 million here, $6.5 million here on your precious veterans. Spend $1 million on them, or $750k. If you're spending $3 million on someone, on a team that may have an $80 million payroll, tell me how that player helps us in 2027. Does the player have multiple years of control? Is the player likely to be tradable? For a reliever, sure if they're cheap enough. For a 1b? Eh, maybe depends on the player.

Oh no that performance will totally sabotage the White Sox's playoff chances next year. Whatever will we do. Anyway, the hope would be that you can get better out of him than that, for whatever reason. If you can't...hey look, you put him on a minor league deal, you don't have to call him up, you can look for an alternate option later in the year because you're not committed to Vaughn.

Who is spending $6 million on Jose Abreu? Jose Abreu, by rule, would be $750k if he makes a big league roster, and most likely he'd be signed on a minor league deal first.

That's a really pathetic "Strong sustained period of AAA success". Especially when a decent portion of it is associated with a BABIP spike from .250 to .320 - it wasn't unsustainable, but there was no drop in his K-rate in September, he actually had fewer extra base hits overall, there was no big increase in his was rate, he had a few more balls fall in as hits. And the "15 WAR" was literally your line of how we need to credit their success with Montgomery because it's rare for guys to have success at the level of putting up 15 WAR when they're a 22nd pick. Read this quote and explain to me how exactly this writer is doing anything other than taking a victory lap after the team developed a player who put up 15bWAR. There is literally zero other way to read this other than "Wow you did great look how few guys put up 15 WAR so we should credit them for developing Colson Montgomery into that".

I did not see this player have success for an extended period at AAA. He had a .710 OPS on the season. He had one month with an .815 OPS, which is better than the rest of his season but frankly not all that great either. When did this extended period of success at AAA happen? Before or after his 15 big league WAR?

yes, I would agree I think he will get there unless his health is a much bigger issue than I think. But that's also normal. Most #22 picks get that far, and it was an exaggeration when a poster said he's vastly ahead of most #22 picks for precisely that reason. The next step up, a big league regular, is more rarefied air. But real simple, you don't get to credit them for successfully developing a 15 WAR player until he's at least a 1 WAR player, regardless of whether Chris Getz was involved.

I see one poster who said the White Sox screwed up Montgomery. He got called out correctly for that being an exaggeration, and I have nothing else to add. It's possible they did screw him up, moving him to AAA last year was aggressive and I wouldn't have done it. But, I don't know that screwed him up, at least not yet. It's possible they didn't have him on a proper training program and that led to back issues last year. It's possible he was just hurt last year, and that proper training will bring him back to where he was prior to last year. It's possible that he has a degenerative back condition and we never hear from him again. A #22 pick in the top 20 prospects is ok, it's a decent positive, but with a tiny bit of context it isn't amazing or earth shattering. There's a long way to go, and health is always a factor. As soon as he said the White Sox screwed him up, an exaggeration in one direction, you Getzlyfans chimed in with how vastly far ahead of #22 picks he is, which is false since most of them get to the big leagues, and how few #22 picks put up 15 WAR, which is giving him credit for 15 WAR more than he has put up. One poster overshot the worries from last year by saying they screwed him up, and you guys bent over Getzwards to say how no #22 pick has ever done stuff like this. Maybe you should take your own advice there.

This is the team that angrily declared they couldn't guarantee Machado's 2027 and 2028 seasons when offering him a contract in 2019 because they needed to make sure they could extend their next core.

And I'd go Abreu, as I have zero desire to pay Vaughn $6.5 million and hear in 2 years how we just can't afford a big name player after doing so.