Balta1701

If Baltimore is willing to trade their guys; there are likely better options in the trade market than Cease. If they’re willing to trade a big prospect, Logan Gilbert from Seattle has been about as good as Cease and has 2 more years of control than Cease. Guys like Glasnow, Burnes, and Bieber are likely available for short term guys. Blackburn from the As probably gets traded.

Eventually the White Sox need to play that market but 2024 is not the year. There are guys who can help you win now, but they are damned far from winning now. There aren’t generational guys like Harper available, where it makes sense to pay for them so you have them in a couple years. Save money this year, go for guys on 1 year deals who you have a good chance to trade at the deadline. Restocking is the goal this year, see where we are next offseason.

Naw, Bellingers way too high risk for this team, and he’s getting 9 figures I’d be almost certain. There’s no upside for the white Sox there, and a big downside risk. Play the short term contract game and do it smarter than Hahn, look for guys you might be able to move at the deadline. Rosario for like $8 million makes a ton of sense to me, plenty of upside and movable as a defensive replacement even if he has a bad year.

The idea that the White Sox would be so petty about Giolito being a union rep in 2022 and then would welcome him back this offseason still seems completely unbelievable to me.

Huh? Have you seen these postseason teams? They have like 7 good starting pitchers to start the year; whether they advance or are the Dodgers is determined by which teams have 4 healthy and which have 2 healthy. The White Sox might have 1.5 pitchers right now.

If Hahn was still here I’d say they would absolutely rush Montgomery. Hell they did with Anderson even. What Getz will do I don’t know, he doesn’t have a record good or bad on that yet. In terms of Sosa, I’m all about giving guys like him a shot, but what I wasn’t doesn’t matter if the damned manager won’t play kids because veterans get you wins.

Last year his fastball was clearly down in velocity and that made all his pitches less effective. While he still had strikeouts, he also gave up a lot of hard hit balls, rivaling what he gave up as a rookie. As of right now, he’s a pitcher who will give you innings but who isn’t an elite performer in those innings. As an opposing GM, I am not paying the price of a guy in the Cy Young race for him because he hasn’t shown me he can be that with his lower velocity last year, and he hasn’t shown me that he can get his velocity back up. In opposing GM mode, your offer is roughly 1 top 100 prospect (not top 50) and some decent filler pieces. If the White Sox’s price is higher than that, there will be other options on the FA or trade market, as there’s a good amount of FA pitching this year. This is still a guy I hold to the trade deadline if I’m the white Sox. His value isn’t likely to drop too dramatically, it’s already gone down quite a bit so even if he gets hurt it’s not franchise changing. I would play for the upside. Hope he shows more next year. Either a restored fastball or more effectiveness with the reduced velocity, or maybe even some luck that fools a team.

You’d give Anderson $30 million? I sure as hell wouldn’t. If you were giving him that money, just pick the option up. I don’t think he gets $10 million this offseason.

I don’t know how much is injuries vs attitude vs the White Sox coaches telling him to hit the ball on the ground, but he is literally watching $100 million plus evaporate with his performance the last 2 seasons. If that were me, I’d certainly try to refocus myself and change things up with those results.

I would have no issues with this. The White Sox need someone at SS and a $7-8 million guy with some upside is fine.

She said KW orchestrated the Burger deal. Nothing about Anderson in any of the parts I saw.

Eh, I’m calling BS. That’s covering ones tail afterwards. “This deal is unpopular, it must have been Kenny’s fault!”

And yet they didn’t actually trade for him.

While it’s possible, the gamble on that happening wasn’t worth $14 million to the White Sox. The long term positives are low, maybe he becomes tradeable but doesn’t return much. The negative is “lost $14 million again on a guy who was bad.” The scale tips strongly to the downside risk there. This was the right move so compliments to whoever made it.

When he was worth -0.5 fWAR and being paid $4 million for the last 2 months? Again, who would want him?

Who would want him? Who would be willing to pay hkm $14 million this year?

Even if TA became an all star this year, what’s that worth to the White Sox? They weren’t going to get much in a trade for 2 months of him playing at his best, and they’re not going to win 85 games with all the other weaknesses on this roster.

I'd say this is more good luck to a guy who no one wanted at either the trade deadline and who cleared waivers completely despite being healthy and on a good roll of pitching thinking he will get more than $8 million on the open market.

I wouldn't' sign him to that right now if I was the White Sox and I wouldn't sign that right now if I was him. You don't sign him right now because what if he has a setback - you've added $8 million and gotten nothing out of it. I wouldn't sign that right now if I was him because I might find a better offer after the 2024 World Series once I do a throwing demonstration in the offseason, depending on who needs pitching and how the market goes. All this went out the window today, no one has any real motivation to do anything here until he's doing a pitching demonstration and hitting the high 90s again.

They should definitely have tried to work something out where they give him his money much sooner and there's a couple million extra for 2025 in it for him, rather than getting to the point of declining his option. Now, he should just wait til he's healthy and try to sign a $8 million or so deal after 2024. The money is guaranteed now that the option has been declined, it's no longer good business for him to sign anything until he's ready for a training camp.

While we don't know Bochy's exact deal, when he was with the Giants, he was the highest paid manager in baseball at up to $6 million for 1 season. I can't imagine he's coming back for substantially less than that.

Bochy took the Rangers job before the White Sox hired Grifol. We do not know if the White Sox ever talked to him or not. There would probably be a money issue here as I’m sure Bochy is getting paid what he deserved and Reinsdorf would have issues with that.

While what you write about it being idiotic to refuse information is true, I’m not sure you realize how much of an indictment of the White Sox it is. They could have gotten vastly more information in their GM search, they should have done so, any professional business would have done so, but the White Sox ardently refused. They did not interview outside the organization, they didn’t interview people of diverse backgrounds, they didn’t interview anyone. They as an organization literally said “these guys on other teams are smart and educated and know baseball in their current jobs and that’s the kind of opinions and information we absolutely don’t want to hear.” I said at the time that if they actually our together a true GM search, that wouldn’t mind LaRussa being involved. He knows the owner and the organization and he has certain types of experience that would be useful, but it needed to be balanced out by others through a professional search process. For the utterly rigged joke that we got, it’s not surprising that LaRussa would be involved. You said it yourself that any organization refusing information is making a mistake, LaRussa being involved in the White Sox making that mistake fits perfectly with my impression of him.

Yup, Burdi was going to be on the same path as Sale and Fulmer, they drafted a college reliever in the first round because they needed help that season. And this draft was loaded. Just looking at pitchers, guys who went after Burdi include Gallen, Dustin May, Lozardo, Lodolo, Burnes, and Bieber. Maybe they don’t switch to any of them, but they had lots of other chances.