Balta1701

I mean, the biggest difference is that in the middle of 2021 his power changeup with the insane movement lost the insane movement. For a long time there, he was effectively successful as a fastball changeup pitcher because that changeup would break so hard it was unhittable. Once the sticky stuff ban was in place, that's the specific pitch he lost,. I still remember this one from the start of 2021, this changeup to finish the at bat was mind boggling. That was both his strikeout pitch and it was the one that made the high fastball effective.

3 fWAR pitcher this year so far so will probably finish over 3.5, 6 fWAR last year, going to average nearly 200 innings/year over a 3 year period since the pandemic, maybe his stuff has gotten worse this year and I haven't checked that? With how many teams need pitching, I can't imagine him going cheap unless something happens soon.

The one out of this that made me raise an eyebrow was Nola because he clearly is going to get a multi-year, 9 figure deal.

The big question is going to be how much long term damage they do while trying.

The fact that it was so weird is why putting him in the bullpen in 2021 was such a high risk move. He clearly benefited from building up innings in 2017 and 2018 as his control improved with extra work. Then, when we had the chance to get him more work in 2021, we declined. The possible downside of that was a guy who couldn’t find control, and that’s exactly what we have now.

I’m going to bet they spend more money replacing Zavala this offseason and get less production.

It also did not help that they put him in the bullpen in 2021 when his arm and body needed consistency and innings following a multi year layoff. This is also something they’ve done several times which contributes to the leaky pipeline.

Renteria was never going to lead the White Sox to a title. He did his job developing and getting them to the playoffs. It isnt soxtalks fault that the White Sox’s owner needed to replace him with pale empty husk of a coach.

I am looking at the big picture. I know I can’t fix everything, nor can any rule do so. But the Selig rule is a good thing. Teams should have to conduct fair and unbiased processes, they should not be allowed to choose someone who just happens to look like them through an unfair process decided before it starts Because then they will always choose the easy white guy, just like Reinsdorf is now doing. Jerry Reinsdorf was right, that rule was a good thing, which is why it’s so disappointing to see Reinsdorf turn his back in that progress and remove the diversity from his front office.

And I believe he found the one guy in the entire sport who was spineless enough to tell him what he wanted to hear, then made him the new GM.

And the White Sox are looking at a long rebuilding, hence why I still have no problem with the concept of moving a guy who you agree probably won’t have a long career.

The prospect has 6 years of control and is coming back from TJS.

Why am I singling out a dramatic shift on the part of the team I was a fan of for decades? Why am I calling out a guy who was on the record 10 years ago praising the work of the Selig rule at encouraging diversity who now ignores it himself as he removes diversity from his front office (seriously go check out his employees). Why don’t I complain more about bad behavior by the Mets on a White Sox message board? I’m very used to people trying to use distraction when they know they can’t actually support actions but totally want to, but “why are you stressing about the White Sox on a message board devoted to the White Sox” is rather impressive.

At the same time, you can’t hold a 27 year old with a history of serious injury who is putting up 2.5 WAR when your team is on pace for 100 losses and has basically no support coming from the minors in the next 2 years. You can argue with the return I get that, holding him and letting him hit 2 dingers to make this a 10-2 loss and then having his trade value gone by the time the team is actually back to .500 doesn’t interest or excite me.

You certainly should. You should also be expected to conduct an external and unbiased search for key positions. Very few teams seem to be totally unwilling to do so. It might well be 1 team.

Hiring white guys to positions they don’t deserve is sort of a White Sox thing.

Isn’t he still the main White Sox fill in for days when Stone misses? And the likely candidate to replace Benetti in like 2 seasons?

So is Chris Getz.

Salvador Perez doesn’t lose 95 games in a season, not with his leadership.

Do you think his contract is extended this year or do they wait for next offseason?

Yes, because that’s what all of our problems were with Rick Hahn, too much interference from the computer. I mean, their staff is loaded with people that have strong histories of success and it isn’t like their staff is legitimately 4x too small so no one is overworked. But, I’m sure Getz has a plan to talk to Reinsdorf in the future about about this and I’m sure it will be totally effective.

Oh I think LaRussa was much worse. I think Renteria at least worked hard and tried to coach. LaRussa was a horrific hybrid of all the worst parts of recent White Sox coaches. You had Ventura’s laziness and unwillingness to enforce any rules, you had Ozzie’s obsession with certain types of ball players and the way the game was played in the 1980s, Renteria’s ignorance, and Ozzie’s and Renteria’s arrogance all rolled into one.

While Moore had a good two year run with some real innovation, his full rebuild process getting to that took what 7 years? And that was followed by a 7 season period from 2016-2022 of being actually worse than the White Sox? After 7 years of top 10 draft picks, plus extra picks for revenue sharing and small market teams, plus being out of the race so they should be taking advantage of the trade deadline to add talent, their system was bottom 5 in baseball and their team was bottom two. This doesn’t even look good compared with Rick Hahn, if you’re that bad for that long you should build up talent by complete accident. While it’s only an allegation, this record after 2015 is so poor that it makes the idea that he was specifically trying to draft and sign outspoken Christians as a priority way easier to believe.