Balta1701

Ironically he alone was an overpay for Shields.

I think a lot of people could “make a difference”. The White Sox operations have been awful top to bottom. With the financial advantages they have over the division, if they just had an average GM who set up a normal scouting, development, and operations system, with people doing their jobs and limitations on ownership interference, that’s a regularly competitive organization.

He wouldn’t be playing for a new contract though, he’d be playing for an admittedly pricey 1 year option being picked up.

Chris Sale and Patrick Corbin are potentially two high names on this list.

The Nats were going to fall off pretty quickly, that was basically written in once they lost Harper and Rendon, they had spent a ton and were getting to the end of their run. It was a lot like the Tigers in our division or the Cubs, staying in contention for years is tough. I don’t blame them for that, and rebuilds take several years. There’s even some deserved credit for being willing to sell Turner and Scherzer Defoe top dollar when they did. That Strasburg deal was something else when they signed it though.

And I would say that it's quite inappropriate for a baseball setting and this is a reason why I think Moore has had specific actions that call his judgment into question. But at the very least, it's not just because he's a christian, as you have pretended it is.

You avoided answering the question. Is this appropriate for a general manager of a baseball team?

Should a GM arrange for his players to hear an anti-porn seminar based on that GM's religious beliefs?

As the linked article notes, requiring these interviews was associated with a rise of the number of minority employees in key front office positions from 4% to over 20% in the first decade or so that it was present. While you cannot count a specific one who would be hired, what you've basically required is fair and equitable processes where people are given even and equitable opportunities. If actions were taken the way Jerry Reinsdorf hired LaRussa, that number would have remained 4% or maybe even gone lower. It is specifically there to make it so big league teams conduct proper and fair processes because the type of backdoor deals that got LaRussa hired always manage to advantage the 1980s status quo, that's why they needed to be stopped and replaced with fair and equitable processes. Without fair processes, teams will default to hiring the guy who looks like their owner even if someone else is equally qualified or more qualified. The White Sox in 2020 did not do a fair and equitable process, they set out with a goal and it was not a coincidence that it wound up racially biased. If Nightingale is correct, they are setting themselves up to do exactly that again.

His professional record includes these facts, that's the problem. He brought this into his profession with the seminar, so he did that openly and it's on the record, and there is a very strong suggestion that he let his religion influence his decision making when it came to players. When you're saying you base this on his record, his inclusion of this stuff in his baseball work is part of that record. When you allege people are opposing him because he's a christian, which you've done, you are bypassing this as a key part of the problem. I would not be saying anything about his religion in this discussion if he had not given us reason to with his official actions.

No. Even if the White Sox did everything right, they are years away from actually being competitive. 2025 would take a huge amount of development, an almost unbelievable amount given that many of these players were drafted by Hahn and company. 2026 might have an outside shot, 2027 more likely - in either case, we'd be relying heavily on players who aren't in the system or organization at this time.

If one of these roles was filled externally, and there was a quality process for both that did not seek to circumvent league rules, I could potentially be persuaded to give them more of a chance as well.

Rosters expand in a week right?

I have to disagree with this one, and this is from a person who always complains that the White Sox call people up too quickly. This is a guy who had plenty of development time in the Astros system. He had his first appearance at AAA back in 2021, and has over 800 plate appearances there on offense, he's listed as playing nearly 200 games there, all at AAA. You can quibble with bringing him back as the return for Graveman, his problem with the Astros is that he has been passed in quality and performance by Yainer Diaz so he has legitimately no role there and he isn't viewed as a sure fire guy, but it's totally worth the White Sox trying him out now that they have him. He was on the IL when the Sox traded for him, but if he's healthy and had enough time to rehab, there is zero reason to keep him in the minors any more and he should absolutely be in the big league catching rotation all of next year if healthy. The odds may be against him working out, but he's definitely worth a shot.

Didn't Perez allow a nearly infinite number of stolen bases during the Seattle series?

He's met his quota so he gets an exemption from the rules and can hire all the mediocre white people he wants. That's how it works.

Eh, that draft they were still trying to find pieces to help their competitive 2016 roster.

If he is going to start taking actions that repeatedly lead to only white men being considered for key positions, actions that he himself worked to limit 25 years ago in baseball because of how race factored into it, then yes race is a factor. Not only should we not tolerate it, but we should call it out publicly.

There were some other factors there. 1. Kenny Williams and Rick Hahn were likely heavily involved in this process and they were absolutely key to the "Yes man" culture in the White Sox's organization. 2. There is a very good chance that qualified people did not want to come to the White Sox when Kenny Williams and Rick Hahn were conducting that process and when they could see easily how badly built this team was. The best manager in the world right now would be sitting there taking the blame for a team 25 games below .500, with the GM that hired them having been fired.

It's called the Selig rule, it actually predates the Rooney Rule and it is written with the same setup in mind. The White Sox are required to conduct an actual interview with a minority candidate for head coach and management positions. In 2021, Jerry Reinsdorf personally flouted this rule in order to hire Tony LaRussa. He brought in Willie Harris, one of his former players, for a sham interview with no actual chance of being hired. Willie went along with this, most likely a combination of him needing the experience and him being unwilling to burn a bridge with the White Sox. Reinsdorf was somewhat given a pass for this as he does have a long history of employing and promoting minority candidates for those positions and it may have been a one time thing to hire a friend of his. Hell, Jerry Reinsdorf was instrumental in the creation of the Selig Rule, he's actually pictured in the article I linked above! If, however he wants to make it a habit of flouting the Selig rule and conducting dishonest, sham interviews, we should label it as what it is - a shift towards a racist hiring pattern, and he should get sued by the people he is abusing in that process. While Chris Getz may not have been willing to burn that bridge, right now the NFL is facing a discrimination lawsuit for exactly this same sort of behavior by a person who was willing to do so. https://apnews.com/article/nfl-coach-brian-flores-football-discrimination-lawsuit-5322d8efcb685c9508e703cd40c3a5f1

That's all I Getz.

Hell, just interview them! Perform a real search. Even if you have an early favorite, give other people fair opportunities to be considered for the position.

I believe it was the Cleveland Browns who got sued for doing this? Or was it the Dolphins? Anyway, people in front offices who aren’t white should definitely know what is up with this franchise as they’ve played this game before. It wouldn’t be outrageous for them to outright refuse the interview with what we’ve already heard, or to demand some assurance that they are actually being considered rather than used for tokenism. If the White Sox refuse such assurances, take it to the press.

Just to stress, if this is the case then it is flagrant flaunting of the Selig rule. MLB might let him off the hook for it again, but his fans shouldn’t and whoever they use for the sham interview also shouldn’t.

It is worth remembering that Willie Harris wasn’t going to sue if he was given a sham interview for mob boss reasons, he couldn’t afford to burn the bridge to the White Sox if he did want to stay in coaching. There is a good chance that front office people will be more willing to do that if Reinsdorf tries to use them as a sham way around the Selig rule.