Balta1701

So is Jerry Reinsdorf.

“Hired goons?”

Because very few teams give big reliever contracts as consistently as the white Sox.

The last place Yankees are “rich and getting richer”?

I will repeat Todd Frazier as a comparable reference.

I’m expecting Nightengale to tweet it in a few minutes just because you asked.

Every time there’s something someone posted that we think was a joke because it’s too ridiculous he actually said it huh?

No way Getz could possibly have had an unreasonable bias towards a Royals player. I’m sure his performance this year has earned his faith.

Wait this was another “he actually said this”?

I count over $100 million committed assuming they let Hendriks go, let Clevinger go, with a little variance based on arb numbers. That goes over $120 million committed if they trade for Perez. If payroll stays constant, they’d have around $50 million for the rest of the roster. Assume Giolito is out because he’s a public union rep, assume no Stroman, but two of that level and one or two relievers fits that money. Cease, Eduardo Rodriguez, Jordan Montgomery, Michael Kopech, Toussaint/Scholtens for your rotation? (Toussaint is arb 1 so He’s iffy). Then a little money left for some utility guys and bullpen depth. Or you could do one of those guys and a Hader. If there’s a payroll cut, which is possible given the likelihood of a stadium record low attendance next year, maybe less?

Yes. He's likely here as long as Reinsdorf is alive.

So was beating up a woman and the using “Gold Digger” as his walkout song, but he got the team to go along with that.

If Clevinger hadn't beaten up a woman last year and gotten away with it, he'd have been claimed via waivers. If that didn't exist - $5.25 million for a starting pitcher who is putting up an ERA in the 3s, no long term commitment and no prospect price, for the stretch run and playoffs? If that had been available for the 2021 White Sox I'd have been screaming to pick it up in every post. Like begging them to do so, casually offering favors of a certain type beyond just spending money if they picked it up level.

If we're willing to take the risk of him deciding to shoot a woman and using "Another one bites the dust" as his walkout song the next day, then we should be smarter about it than this. No one in baseball is willing to trade for him when he was due $6.5 million after August 1 (with the possibility of asking the White Sox to kick in f funds) or $5.25 million for September and October as a waiver claim, and that's when he has a 2.15 ERA since June 1 in 9 starts (3.64 FIP so legitimately solid performance). No one else in MLB wants to have anything to do with him, nor should they. Decline the option, pay him the buyout, offer him like $1 million. You barely have fans left, you're probably not going to lose $7 million just by alienating more fans by keeping him.

This is not just you, just a convenient moment to note this. Literally everyone scoffing at the idea of them competing next year is going "How are they going to compete next year they need 4+ starters and half a bullpen". They're not wrong. Even if they did all that, they have the #25 scoring offense in MLB despite a HR hitters park, they are 30th of 30 teams in OBP (and Perez's OBP is lower than Grandal's!), they are in the bottom 10 of the league in defense, and they are 28/30 in position player fWAR. They need an entire new roster, not just a new pitching staff. Just remarkable that literally anyone can be talked into acting like they can fix this. If JR told me to fix this in one year I'd ask if I could try a shot of whatever fancy booze he has on the shelf, try it, then resign and walk out of the room on the spot. Might be my only chance to try some of that.

Just in general, it's rather amazing to me how the treatment of Salvador Perez sounds so much like the treatment of Todd Frazier late in 2015. Expecting the guy to be a savior when he comes in, near complete certainty that the White Sox will go after him on the part of everyone with any connections, basically just hoping they won't dramatically overpay (the rumor in 2015 was that the deal might involve Quintana going for him).

Literally nothing we heard yesterday came from people who even realize there are systematic problems, let alone having plans to fix them. Our plans are to “win soon” and figure out the rest later. This is literally them insisting that things will work well if they believe in it harder. It won’t be long before they blame the fans again for not showing up and cheering hard enough.

No one will trade you anything for Tim Anderson. If you want him off the roster, you decline his option.

I have a certain background and set of experiences as a planetary scientist and educator. If someone came to me with a job offer today to manage a large NASA facility, it would be a once in a lifetime job roughly relevant to my research, with a solid pay raise possible. I would also turn it down flat, I wouldn’t have applied. Why? Because I would be setting myself up for abject failure. There are too many things I have yet to do. Managing large budgets, managing big projects involving multiple scientists, working with engineers, working with government. I am gradually learning some of these skills, but today I would get into that office on day 1 with no idea of where to start, and the fact that I couldn’t plan anything I wanted to be my goals would sabotage me before I began. There are always some things you’d have to learn on the job, but if I was inexperienced enough that I had no concept of what to ask going in that’s no longer feasible. I’d not just be hurting me, I’d be hurting hundreds, maybe thousands of people who would be relying on me. If you came back in 15 years I might be well prepared for it, but if I took that job today it wouldn’t just be bad for me, it could set back the entire space program. A perfect example is Getz being asked about changes he would make to the minor leagues yesterday and saying he will talk to Jerry about it. That should have been part of the hiring conversation, he should have laid out a plan for what needs to change in the organization before signing a contract and gotten all of this in writing. Delineating clear roles and responsibilities, establishing a plan going forward. Creating a plan for how he will be evaluated. Reinsdorf doesn’t want to waste next year and he wants to win “soon”. Do you believe Getz gave a detailed plan for how to do that? If he puts three 95 loss teams out there while emptying out the system of the last few drafts, does a 90 year old Reinsdorf fire him because he couldn’t get an impossible job done or does he hope that Reinsdorf just goes with his loyalty? If he were ready for this job he should have pushed back on the notion that he could pull off a miracle before he agreed to the job, Reinsdorf should have never been allowed by his GM to offer that standard yesterday. He doesn’t know what he needs to ask or to set up in order to be successful in this position. That alone has set him up for failure already and that’s why he should have been smart enough to turn this down. The fact that he didn’t do so actually says a lot about his lack of self awareness. Either he will rely on staying in this job because he’s Reinsdorf’s yes man and he lives forever, or this will be the last job he has in baseball because no one else wants that.

No, he clearly will not. If teams will not pick him up right now or trade for him, he will not get a single contract offer in the US this offseason.

Yeah but he’s the face of the franchise, think about how important that is! Montgomery and Schultz.

If Chris Getz had any dignity he would have turned this down.

It’s going to take Montgomery.

LaRussa and Getz. LaRussa is the classic example of a black man being given a sham interview so that we could hire the important guy that we wanted - Willie Harris. Absolute disrespect for Willie, we used him to check a quota box and never gave him a real chance. We don’t know how it went down with Getz but we know they didn’t conduct a wide ranging set of interviews league wide in one week. If the White Guy is so good, he can stand on his own. He doesn’t need Reinsdorf preventing qualified individuals from being interviewed so that he can get the job. Hell, Getz could have a serious advantage of knowing the White Sox’s ststem, that’s allowed to matter. He doesn’t need the help. These fake searches don’t just stink for the team, they are absolutely racially biased, and Jerry Reinsdorf agreed with and understood that 10 years ago. On the record, he said that the Selig rule existed because these types of fake searches were racially biased and needed to be gotten rid of. He has apparently decided they’re fine by him now and exactly what he wants. He was right a decade ago when he praised the Selig rule and he’s flat out wrong now.

No. I would not be saying this. No the correct answer is not to hire an unprepared person based on their race. He’s done that twice in three years!