Balta1701

Who did Mayo piss off to not even get a meeting tomorrow morning?

See I don’t buy that they had bad luck at all. They had a top 3 pick in a draft that so far has produced 7 all stars, that’s excellent luck. The 2019 draft looks to suck fine that’s the one bit of bad luck, but in 2020 despite all the weirdness they had a college pitcher who threw 103 fall to them and he turned into an all star. Seems pretty good luck to me.

The phrase “how badly it worked out in our favor” makes sense if say in 2024 the top 5 picks are all Allstars and Smith is the first bust with no other successes later. It makes it sound like bad luck, like poor Hahn and Getz they couldn’t possibly have done better due to the lottery. ”How badly the White Sox handled their drafting and minor league development” is the correct context.

I’m sure there’s some of this built in but I Hate the phrasing here, as though it’s totally an accident that the White Sox have drafted and developed so poorly. Yeah they missed out on Witt, 7 guys taken after Vaughn have already made all star teams. It’s not how badly the draft worked out. It’s how badly they handles their choices and their development.

Is San Francisco in a place where they are one player away from a title this year? If not, it’s plain dumb for them to give up multi year assets for Crochet or Tucker. That’s literally the logic of Hahn’s worst trades - disparage it all you want but hugging Semien, Tatis, and Bassitt was a helluva lot smarter than all in moves on 75 win teams.

Carlos Rodon was a normal Hahn callup. A guy who clearly hadn’t shown he was ready at any minor league level but who was called up based on prospect status to save a big league rotation. If we are talking about calling these guys up on April 15th, Rodon is the comp. Midseason, or later, if they’ve actually had a dozen strong starts? Very, very different.

I don’t think that the callups for either Schultz or Smith should be determined by what roster spots they need for other pitchers unless those pitchers have clearly earned the spots by pitching better than Schultz and Smith.

That’s the kind of inconsistent, weird treatment and favoritism that just has to lead to toxicity between players.

Well clearing him out is one way to have Vargas and Rojas both in the infield.

I can’t figure out why Johnson is totally off all your lists.

No, but we are in the thread of the White Sox signing a utility player right now!

I’d rather have Romy Gonzalez than Rojas and it’s not even close.

As I said earlier, I don’t know what you have to do to earn a callup in the white Sox organization if Meidroth doesn’t break camp with the White Sox.

Romy actually outhit Rojas, plays more positions than him, and will cost 1/4 or 1/5 as much. FWAR is a counting stat and so it’s taking into account shorter season and which positions the guy is at - this will sometimes devalue a utility guy because he got some games backup up 1b or a corner OF spot. For 10+ years the White Sox have been spending money on utility guys because they can’t develop their own ones cheaply. He’s exactly the kind of utility player the White Sox need this year, not great or anything, but cheap and able to play basically every IF or OF position including SS.

The opening day lineup of guys who I think should be in the big leagues is Meidroth, Sosa, Vargas, Quero, and I guess Vaughn although I’d still drop him while I can. One of these guys will be on the bench for Rojas. If he could play SS this would be a different conversation, but right now the only way I see to work that is to move Sosa to SS and Vargas to DH?

What's ironic here is Romy Gonzalez is a perfect example of why this is a problem! Romy got 239 plate appearances with the White Sox over 3 years. He was quite bad in these spots overall, despite ok numbers in the minor leagues. He never got a chance in the bigs with the White Sox because we needed veterans like Elvis Andrus, Nicky Lopez, and now Luis Rojas. Romy was then waived by the White Sox, picked up by the Red Sox, and bang, last year, tolerable backup/utility guy for them, performing just about as well as Rojas, with multiple years of pre-arbitration control remaining, presumably at like 1/4 of Rojas's price.

No, that's not how it works. If you have a number of average prospects, you have to play them. They may or may not get better with experience, but they won't get better if they don't get experience.

I am not strongly pro-anyone, but I don't see how Ben Johnson gets zero credit for the performance of his team's offensive line over multiple seasons.

In terms of Meidroth, he has 558 plate appearances at AAA already. He put up a .437 OBP in those appearances. What exactly does a guy have to do to earn a callup? What are we expecting he needs to learn by getting more walks from AAA pitching? If we treated Thorpe like this we'd call it lunacy, sending him back to AAA and hoping he gets 12 starts in the big leagues, but that's the plan for one of the guys we just acquired apparently.

I do not see how there's enough plate appearances to satisfy what the White Sox seem to need unless they have already thrown in the towel on Vargas. Between 3b and 2b that's perhaps 1300 plate appearances, 800 after we give Rojas 500. Vargas, Sosa, Ramos, and Meidroth - even if you throw in the DH slot some of the time, for 4 guys that's what, 250 plate appearances a piece? 300 max? Unless Sosa is your everyday SS to rope in a full additional position, this doesn't work.

Boy, the latter sounds like…Keppinger, Bonifacio, Beckham, Rollins, Leury (post-extension), Andrus (post-resigning), and quite a few others.

Texas A&M has been competitive in the SEC? No one has more money, and with some first hand experience, no they haven't been.

How exactly do they get the first chances to make a hitting impact after this signing? I'm pretty sure Rojas gets at least one of those two first shots.

I’m pretty sure this doesn’t work like normal decimals - 4.126 years means he has 4 years and 126 days of service time. That’s like 4.8 years.

So he would hit that pretty early this year right?