Balta1701
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12 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:
Huh? Odd question. I think having 10-12 top prospects for this next rebuild is a must. Last rebuild was loaded at the top but had very little depth and we saw how that played out. This group has a chance to be much deeper even if it’s not as “strong” at the top.
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When the Baltimore deal went down, I said that the return wasn't so big that you'd say "This destroys the White Sox if they turned it down and then Cease got hurt." I would stand by that, no reason to rush to that deal.
If the White Sox turned this down and Cease got hurt, it feels like this is a minor bit of damage but not a lot. It feels to me like this isn't such a heavy return that you'd think it would dramatically change the White Sox's rebuild schedule if they held onto Cease and he got hurt. Some additional depth, but question marks on everyone. That, to me, seems like a reasonable standard for doing a deal now - it would have to return so much that it's not worth waiting to the deadline.
Anyone disagree? Was this a deal we couldn't afford to turn down? If so, care to explain? Happy to listen.
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Just now, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:
Not interested in trading Robert? I don’t see much of a choice here. It’s not like they’ll extend him after his contract concludes unless he has a TA style precipitous falloff.
I find it interesting that they brought back a young CF in this deal.
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3 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:
Iriarte with lowest floor and highest ceiling ... lots sleeping on him.
It looks like he was already pitching out of the bullpen in the minors last year, so I think it's safe calling him a reliever for now.
There's promise here, if any of these guys break out then this looks like a great deal, but this is definitely not what people were demanding a month or two ago.
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5 minutes ago, joejoesox said:
i dont see why Thorpe isn't mlb ready, he has everything in his arsenal to succeed at the major league level now. he isn't going to get better command, or throw any harder, call the kid up
Looks like he has a total of 30 AA innings? Let him throw at least a half season against AA level competition first.
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So I guess congrats that he moved at all?
One solid prospect, one guy outside the top 100 with promise, and a likely reliever is probably 1 more player than I thought he was worth, so I guess y’all can brag on that, but this is a far cry from what he was supposed to be worth.
Is Zavala Robert’s replacement?
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19 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:
I presume they really wanted good vet catcher(s) around the young pitchers but also around the Sox young catching prospects. They also probably knew Stassi and Maldonado were on their last legs but had the attributes they wanted so they doubled down in that direction. Hopefully all of young Sox catching prospects are spending a lot of time with them around the defensive and mental aspects of the game and at same time - I hope our various pitchers benefit from the experience they bring.
Probably overselling all of the above - but given how bad the stench from the outside was (and presumably even worse internally) - I can live with it, but I do agree with you - why everyone wrote off Lee vs. hey give him another few hundred AB's and lets see didn't make sense. I would imagine Lee will still get plenty of AB's (it isn't like it is that hard to replace the 2 catchers they have).
The obvious problem with wanting to bring in Maldonado to be around the young catching prospects is...Lee, the young catching prospect still in the big league camp, was with the Astros last year, as was Maldonado.
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21 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:
I'm live-tweeting a conference right now and "Holy Overpay" just showed up trending.
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Ridley to the Titans.
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3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:
Things are going to happen soon whether you like it or not unfortunately.
Soon as in "the 2024 season?" Sure.
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1 minute ago, SoCalChiSox said:
I dont think there's any dispute that there's a market. The question is, is the market in the low 40m SV range, or does the pitching premium and/or Cole situation push it into the 50s.
We saw about a 10% premium with the Burnes situation (33m value...they paid 36m). Similar premium would make this trade be around 46m...perhaps a bit more if it's NYY.
All along I've said that Getz is going to want that higher value price and teams aren't going to pay that price until they see Cease in April. That continues to be the obvious version of how this has gone, no matter how many times people try to push different things through the media.
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1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said:
Cool. You are probably wasting your time in this thread then.
And yet people tagged me in this thread last night because they needed to brag about the clear and unambiguous fact that things were going to happen.
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2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:
Yet it wasn't just the Yankees that fell out of the rumor tree. That sure doesn't seem like "waiting" to me.
There is a clear benefit to the White Sox in trying to sell the Yankees on the idea that other teams are interested and putting in new bids, to encourage the Yankees to raise an offer they've been unwilling to improve.
We have been watching this the whole offseason, it's a vicious combination of people with similar motivations and no accountability. The White Sox want to make it sound like there is interest in him, insiders know there are no consequences if they're wrong and they get lots of clicks when they can talk about a trade market involving the Yankees, the White Sox know there are no consequences if they exaggerate a little bit in a way that might help them because the insider will push the same story again 2 months later.
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3 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:
I recall him hitting a homer the other day when he was DHing. The games I've seen him play he's been pretty brutal on both sides of the plate. Maybe the overall numbers say he's been better, IDK.
He has 2 home runs so he has an .856 OPS in recorded spring games.
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20 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:
At the end of the day I think Getz has had his "if you want him today, this is my price" price out there for a while. If we are getting this going again, I think teams are moving into Getz's "today" neighborhood enough that it is worth listening too. This could well have been a case where guys were trying to see if he would fold early, or if he would hold up.
The Yankees probably put in calls to both Boras and the White Sox and anyone else who might be selling a pitcher as Due Diligence - seeing if any of them have dropped their price is a reasonable move.
The message then gets sent out, probably by Getz - "We've re-engaged with the Yankees" to the insiders, even though if nothing is happening it's probably true that they talked. For the White Sox, they again may put a little pressure on other teams to try to drive the market.
In reality, the other teams are wanting to see where they are during the season and where Cease is during the season, and the Yankees aren't yet desperate enough to try to make an all-in move.
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Just now, hi8is said:
Bet this drags on another two weeks ?
But the eyeball emoji!!
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26 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:
Right. Me using most probably isn't totally accurate. I probably should have said come up through prep ranks as SS. Regardless, you can't have too many SS prospects even if you have a star SS in the bigs already. Guys that can play SS usually don't have issues finding another position if the bat plays.
If you have an elite SS prospect at AAA, he's probably also top 25 in baseball, maybe better. That's tradeable for elite pitching or all star players (Robert caliber) if you do have a guy fully blocked.
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10 minutes ago, WestEddy said:
Since they seem to want to go with all these ex-White Sox guys, why not bring in Adam Engel and Kevan Smith, too.
They didn't play for the royals?
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Just now, Bob Sacamano said:
Right. He’s referring to losing a draft pick now.
Yes, I was adding onto yours. Not only no QO right now so no owed compensation now, but also still could be offered one at the end of this season.
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Just now, Bob Sacamano said:
You wouldn’t lose one, no.
Montgomery was traded last year, so he’s still eligible for a qualifying offer if a team signs him and doesn’t trade him during the year.
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Just now, baseball_gal_aly said:
Accurate. It's 0.5 less than twice as much because Burnes is better than Cease.
But perhaps it should be 0.37 less because Cease has previously been better and we should factor that in.
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1 minute ago, LittleHurtCG said:
Where are you seeing that at? A Khalil Mack reunion would be interesting. Adding Allen or Williams to the WR room on a short term deal would be pretty dope as well.
I don't think it should be "and" as much as "or", but they are clearly going to do something today.
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6 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:
Rosenthal's job is literally to write about baseball rumors in the offseason. Of course his scoops are going to occasionally be wrong. Morosi is kind of a dope, so he deserves some flack from baseball fans, but like - these guys are paid to be "insiders".
This is quite different from posters who come in here/or on twitter with the eyeballs, etc. acting like they have something, never share much of consequence, and then will claim they had it early when the deal does eventually go down. Now that stuff is lame. Either share what you got, or keep the innuendos to yourself - that I 100% agree with you on.
And people like Rosenthal, who probably are actually hearing things, are also at risk of GMs using them to try to drive a market. A ton of that has happened this offseason, it's very clear that Chris Getz was using these guys to try to drive the market. That's why none of the reports have been correct, because people are leaking things to him and Nightingale so that they get clicks and hoping that can create a trade market that hasn't existed so far.
So maybe let's add some more skepticism to how we read every one of these reports?
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5 minutes ago, Baron said:
I'm not mad at all. Just tired of your nonsense.
Frankly the dunking I think you've earned it. Especially after Ken Rosenthal's report last night.
They dunked on me on January 9 in this thread for Rosenthal saying the White Sox were going to get a haul for Cease, again by name. Did that report, which at this point is now incorrect by more than 2 months, cost Rosenthal any credibility?
Eventually they're going to be right, because eventually Cease is going to be traded. But who other than me is dunking on Rosenthal for his incorrect reports earlier in this offseason? Who else is tired of these false insider reports and calling them nonsense, when they are.
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Cease To Padres per Passan
in Pale Hose Talk
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If he's not a CF defensively then this is a much weaker deal because a dozen minor league HR but a decent A-ball OBP is a Benintendi-type corner outfielder, unless he grows into more power with age?