Balta1701
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50 minutes ago, ScootsMcGoots said:
I know spring results aren't supposed to be indicative of regular season results but...you have to take some of it into consideration. I mean, they are 1-8 in the last 9 games. The team has to at least feel like what it means to win. I have a feeling this team will barely win 50 games. It will truly be a historically awful season.
I actually sorta was expecting different results in the spring. So many old NRIs trying to stay in the big leagues, with tons of previous big-league camp experience, I expected these guys to probably come out ready to go in the spring and maybe even be surprisingly good because they were all fighting for jobs. I expected them to be beat down when we got to the regular season and everyone else started trying. It's a little surprising to me that they're playing this badly in the spring.
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1 hour ago, Quin said:
Hell, they were more unified for TLR.
They completely lost the plot for Grifol. It's why he needs so many vet leaders playing FASTs on a train that there's no room for rookies.
2022 was a mess. I still don't know what happened with that 8 game losing streak when everyone forgot how to play defense (including Anderson), Keuchel ripped his defense, Leury batted 3rd because he had a good time in the batting cages, they had the entire season of weird injury issues that people tried to play through for no good reason, etc.
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20 minutes ago, Milkman delivers said:
Have you heard our Vice President speak?
Sorry to bring politics into the conversation, but I think we can all agree that she wins the nonsensical word salad Olympics.
"Tremendous bad management of entitlements. There’s tremendous amounts of things and numbers of things you can do. So I don’t necessarily agree with the statement. I know they're going to end up weakening Social Security because the country is weak. I mean, take a look at the stock market, our, what we're going through hell. People have, I believe that number is 50%. They say 32 and 33%, I believe we have a cumulative inflation of over 50%."
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2 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:
Lol was thinking the same. It’s such a cushiony job he has it for the next decade if he wants it.
I mean, there's one thing that could make it less than a decade, but hard to schedule that.
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7 hours ago, 77 Hitmen said:
This seems to be the case with any cold-weather city with an indoor stadium - yes, the NFL gives them a Super Bowl, but it's one and done. Detroit and Minneapolis have had two each, but only after they replaced their old domes with new stadiums. Unlike warm weather cities, I don't expect Detroit, Minneapolis, or Indianapolis to be in the rotation for another Super Bowl again. Chicago would probably be in the same boat given the typical weather here in Chicago in early Feb. even if the game itself is indoors.
So, the promise that spending $1B+ in public funds will land Chicago a Super Bowl - it'll just be a one-time thing and not a recurring event.
I think some of that will be that the cities are smaller and so are the stadia. Over a full 30 years stadium lifetime, in Chicago, I’m guessing two assuming they build a quality venue.
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1 hour ago, Soxfest said:
It’s growing close to saying Kopech is a total bust
We actually do have enough warm bodies in the rotation that trying him in the bullpen mid year is an option.
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2 hours ago, SoCalChiSox said:
I think part of the equation is that Getz kind of needs the payoff to be semi-immediate (24 or 25) otherwise he risks getting assets for his successor. If Arias ETA is like 27, it doesnt really help him with job security, esp if there's a new owner before then.
He needs the optics of a shiny new mega savage hitting bombs out of GRF for his resume.
These are ofcourse supposed to be illegitimate considerations in the abstract, but we all know they are present in the political calculus and will make it harder for the FO to accept an Arias/Hampton package.
Because if there’s any job in the world where you’re expected to have success and be evaluated based on that success…it’s GM of the White Sox?
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12 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:
Strasberg won the World Series on his $175M Free Agent contract, signed in May 2016 after his final January 2016 Arbitration 3 hearing.
He would have been a free agent after that season, but signed a clean new contract which did not include any arbitration seasons like a lot of these hi-bred part arb years part FA recent deals.
I’m in agreement that a substantial number of long term pitching deals don’t work out. That said, teams committed to high priced pitching, be it FA or Trade or Extension are committed to winning, something missing from the equation here.
This also applies for much smaller White Sox contracts in terms of highest MLB deals at the time when it came to Frank Thomas and Mark Buehrle having solid to great seasons after leaving the White Sox under relatively cheap deals. Both players could have and should have finished their careers as lifelong Chicago White Sox.
As far as I can tell, the last 3 WS winners had zero active pitchers with 9 figure deals, the Rangers had 1 buried. The Dodgers had 1, the Nationals 2, the Red Sox look to have had 1 in David Price, the 2017 Astros 0, the 2016 Cubs 1, the Royals and Giants 0.
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47 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:
Bears will announce Monday they are shifting stadium focus and get this...they have decided to invest two billion in private funds to make it happen:
Your link doesn’t work.
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13 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:
- Verlander signed an extension with the Astros after 2019 and again after 2021, went to two World Series after his extensions with the Astros winning one.
- Kershaw is a lifelong Dodger, reached three World Series and won one under his $215M 2014-2020 contract.
- Stephen Strasburg is a lifelong National.
- Max Scherzer signed his free agent deal with the Nationals before winning in 2019.
Four pitchers, signed by teams that wanted to win, and then won with those teams committed to win.
Strasburg was not signed by the Nationals, he was drafted by the Nationals.
Verlander was traded for by the Astros. I guess you are correct there are two guys on that list who were extended by their current franchises, but Verlander was most definitely acquired by trade from the Tigers and Strasburg was absolutely drafted by the Nationals.
The only big money free agent pitcher who has recently won a title seems to be Scherzer.
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15 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:
Helps to have the best pitchers in the game if you want to win a World Series.
If you want to waive a 2nd/3rd place carrots at fans every year, and blame fans for your shoddy product and stadium you wanted, not so much.
- 2023 Texas Rangers (Max Scherzer)
- 2022 Houston Astros (Justin Verlander)
- 2020 Los Angeles Dodgers (Clayton Kershaw)
- 2019 Washington Nationals (Max Scherzer, Stephen Strasburg)
- 2018 Boston Red Sox (Chris Sale)
- 2017 Houston Astros (Justin Verlander)
Literally one of those was obtained as a free agent from other teams. (One, Kershaw, was resigned). This makes a very strong case that paying high prices for free agent pitching isn’t a good move.
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10 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:
So random thought, but what if Soroka magically returns to form? Would he be a guy worth trying to extend or would we better off flipping him? He won’t be 27 until August, so age wise he’s a legit fit for us. Can’t even begin speculating what an extension might look like, but my guess is it wouldn’t be exorbitant.
But if you send Crochet down to AAA for a few months and claw back that extra year of control like I proposed, there is a path to a pretty solid rotation of the future (and as soon as next year) if paired with a Soroka extension.
- Soroka
- Crochet*
- Nastrini
- Eder*
- Cannon
That rotation would obviously be lacking at the very top even if Soroka were to return to form (unless Crochet were to take a massive leap forward), but it could theoretically be solid enough to be competitive in the AL Central and you’re hope would be that Schultz and whomever we take at the 1.05 (if we go with a pitcher) could eventually provide that type of TOR production.
This is all hypothetical at the moment and most of the guys highlighted above have a ton of question marks, but it’s fun to dream on guys like Soroka and Crochet going from complete wild cards to rotation stalwarts. And if it were to happen, it would greatly increase our chances of being competitive by 2026.
Absolutely flip him (unless the team is in first place because he’s a cy young candidate).
Do you trust his body enough to give him an extension even covering next year? Let alone a multi year deal? If he’s spectacular in April and May we will be praying he stays healthy through mid July and begging Getz to get a deal done before his next start.
Hed have to be one of the top Cy Young candidates before I’d even think about giving him a QO.
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12 minutes ago, GreatScott82 said:
I hope Pedro gets fired FAST in 2024. But something tells me Getz doesn’t have the courage to fire one of his KC besties. Even if he goes 10-30 to start the season, Getz still will likely keep him around. Those KC veins run deep!
If Terry Francona came out of retirement to manage this team, can you confidently say they wouldn’t start 10-30 with him?
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1 hour ago, pcq said:
At least 9,999,999 posts until Comiskey III is built.
This question is legit. Longest thread in Soxtalk history will be:
Fire Chris Getz
Building in the south loop
Dylan Cease trade concepts
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14 minutes ago, tray said:
The Related development 78 thing has been churning about since Rahm was Mayor and was set to go 4-5 years ago with a 10-20 year development window. It's worth reading some articles about that site and some of the comments made by readers. This isn't the first proposal pitched by 78 with their hand held out for Billions in tax payer backed as well as private financing.
Here is one, but there are many others if you Google for them.
https://chicago.curbed.com/2017/10/19/16503028/the-78-development-discovery-partners-institute
Lumping “public and private financing” together as though those are equally controversial is certainly a thing someone could do. Well maybe. Actually…no, that’s not a thing anyone can do? That like makes Reinsdorf look honest in comparison?
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2 hours ago, caulfield12 said:
But also nobody you could confidently say as of today they would surely be on the 2027 Sox roster with any level of confidence.
Maybe Montgomery.
But as of now there’s enough talent in the system that you’d also be surprised if it was only Montgomery. They should get more than that. If they don’t, that’s a different indictment, on the coaching staff he brought in - keeping “Sticky stuff” Katz and Grifol doesn’t raise confidence but we need time to evaluate that. That talent may also not be enough for a division contender, but you can’t wash it away like this.
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31 minutes ago, baseball_gal_aly said:
When is it ok to get pissed about the Mena/Fletcher deal?
Annoyed and wondering? Right now. Actually pissed? Let’s at least get regular season numbers on both.
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23 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:
I would like to see an tax analysis of whether people lined up Willie Wilson style to receive free gas vouchers for the same amount as Jerry's ask would generate more overall city, county and state tax revenue over the next 30-40 years vs. the stadium handout requested by Jerry.
Would also like a comparison of the $1.3B handout out for dormant Lincoln Yards project vs. the actual projections for the alleged $6B development.
If I understand Tax Increment Financing, the idea is that over time a lot of that $1.3 billion would come from the taxes that would be generated by that property being developed - that they’re pumped back into the site this way. While that does limit the city’s short term benefits from the construction on this site - if construction hasn’t happened yet, then very little tax money should have flowed to the site.
There are ways to screw that up by making the rules too lenient - Foxconn got $300 million for hitting 600 workers in Wisconsin (the state spent $500k per 1 year job creation), but it’s also hard to be as terrible as that Wisconsonian governor.
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36 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:
It's where I am at, but if all of the crap he signed and traded for plays like crap, he has to take a lot of the blame. This, we were told, was a year that couldn't be wasted.
At the same time, there’s some credit due here. There’s an owner who went on a rant about how this year couldn’t be wasted, and a GM who - if he followed that instruction - would demolish several future seasons, in an all too familiar pattern. So, aside from a handful of hopefully minor moves, the GM ignored that rant and did what was best for the franchise.
No win now moves. Colson is still here, Quero is still here, Noah is still here, Nastrini is still here. Bummer is gone. Santos was amazingly turned into something valuable despite his injury. Crochet is even being given a chance to turn into a starter.
Somehow, the owner went on a rant about the importance of this year and the GM either convinced him to think long term or recognized that he’s so out of touch that a bunch of former Royals backups will be something he interprets as an attempt to win this year.
We will see if any of the riskier moves backfire or pay off, but there were few of them, and none of them should seriously threaten 2026, despite an owner wanting to throw away 2026. For that, credit is due.
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14 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:
The really insist on Gavin Sheets, don't they? Why the f*** wouldn't you just give those 1B innings to Colas this spring? Fucking idiots.
He's already been sent to minor league camp.
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7 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:
No math exists which can credibly support a legitimate taxpayer return for the handouts Jerry demanded, let alone the billions more in taxes required to cover bond interest payments, or future demands for upgrades and renovations, or clean up another round of Jerry Reinsdorf stadium mistakes.
No amount of math can support $1 billion for a stadium, I would agree.
Several hundred million seems totally justified given the location of this property and how long it has remained undeveloped. But that, of course, is not an exact number, because Jerry Reinsdorf didn't bother doing the homework.
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Sox looking at building in South Loop
in Pale Hose Talk
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It wasn't nearly as big of a business for the local communities at that time though, and there weren't nearly as many fancy domed stadiums at the time.
Houston has had 2 since NRG stadium was built and I wouldn't be surprised if they had a 3rd in the next 10 years. LA seems likely to get another as well.