Balta1701

That doesn’t mean the pitch is a good big league pitch or that he is a big league pitcher. Maybe he was hurt the whole year and he has more than we saw this year, but the guy we saw did not have big league stuff. That includes his changeup, his numbers are unbelievably disappointing across the board.

If his changeup is any good why did everyone make contact with it?

If Thorpe wasn’t hurt last year, if that’s his stuff, I have no idea how he ever has an ERA below 5 as a starter.

Well, the return for the Cease Trade looks to me to be 0 quality MLB players. I'm literally hoping that the #1 player in the deal was hurt last year, because maybe then he can look better if he heals. That doesn't bode well at all for the idea of finding 3 quality prospects from mid-tier guys.

So what’s the answer? Hold Crochet, win 110 games over the next two seasons combined, and he leaves as A free agent?

I’ll bite this one - I have found everyone from that trade super unimpressive and at this point am hopeful there might be one decent reliever out of the Cease trade. If that’s the kind of return you get by going with quantity, don’t do that again.

I’m liking the fact that all these series are competitive and we get baseball the whole week.

No one should care about baseball TV ratings. We have been over this.

So your solution is to get lots of guys who aren’t.

Eh they all could, salaries have on average more than doubled in the past 15 years, so your comparison doesn’t work. The Rays probably wouldn’t pay that. The Pirates wouldn’t. The As wouldn’t. Most other teams though could take his deal on if they thought it was a good value.

The only reason why the White Sox would trade Robert is that Getz has fully decided to move on from him no matter the cost. The fact that his name is already being dropped and that people who know seem to expect him to be gone suggests to me that this is exactly what will happen.

I think it’s likely that he’s not worth what he was a year ago at this time, that’s totally normal for prospects right when they come up. If he was still the number 1 prospect in baseball and he had performed well this year, the Orioles would laugh at the idea of moving him for a pitcher with only two years of control. They might actually consider it, if they think for example that developing him into an all star could be a 3 year process as their window may not be that long. And maybe if Robert was viewed by them as having some value, which is questionable at this point, maybe you could come up with a hypothetical package. But Robert for Holliday is silly season talk after the last year. We should understand baseball better than this.

Make it $100 million that the White Sox are throwing in and you might have the Orioles' interest.

Some of the stuff we've gotten about Robert includes him not knowing who the bench coach was or knowing his name, and public statements about how he doesn't want scouting reports or to study or anything like that before he goes up to the plate because he just wants to do his thing. I believe they've said the latter thing like they thought it was a positive, at least during '23.

From what we heard, one of the assistant hitting coaches recommended Vargas. He was fired a week later.

It’s entirely possible that Crochet gets a strong offer, it only takes one team to do it. Heck, the Phillies game today could affect this. With Robert, there is no way any team is paying a big prospect return for him after last year. If a team is trading for him, it’s at a big discount. But in both cases, it seems possible that the decision to move the players has already been made. That was clearly the case with Cease last year, he was getting traded for whatever offer came through. In the end they got a tolerable offer, certainly not a great one. If they’ve decided they are moving on from Robert no matter what, that hurts his value even more because that means the White Sox won’t hold him even if the offers for him are terrible. It also seems entirely possible that they e decided to attach Benintendi to Crochet to move his contract. This will also hurt the chances of moving Crochet. If a great offer does appear for Crochet then great, but if one doesn’t, and if they’re determined to dump these guys and to move Benintendi as well, then packaging them to get an actual highly regarded player seems reasonable to me. But the key is, if they’ve decided they’re trading Robert and they’re trading Crochet and they need to dump Benintendi’s contract, that removes a lot of leverage. Robert will not return much if he’s moved, even if a team loves him they will expect a huge discount after his awful 2024. If it’s already decided to be happening, then his price will be low, and that will be that.

Eh, for a guy with Crochet’s issues and only two years of control, that isn’t happening. I don’t think that’s a question if GM quality, that’s just where the market is now. Not in an offseason when there are other options. Maybe at a trade deadline if the market goes a bit nuts like in 2023.

And Cease.

I think I can confidently say the Orioles will not give up the top prospect in baseball last year and a top flight starting pitcher for Crochet, or even Crochet + Robert.

Thats cute language choice on Robert. A “guy who has put up a 5+ WAR season (actually no he hasn't) sounds better than a guy who put up a 0.5 WAR season last year. Crochet im not sure whether the market will be strong, he’s a legit talent but he has health concerns beyond an average pitcher at least for now. Someone might bid heavily for him, if you got the Phillies showing real interest for example we know they can be aggressive. Luis Robert will not bring the return of a 5 WAR player with 3 years of control remaining. If the White Sox have decided to move on from him, it will be at a super large discount.

You’re expecting MLb.coms prospects number 19 and 28 to come back in a Chris Getz deal? If you’d just like to copy and paste my scoffing at this from last year along with posts of how Morosi totally said it was going to happen it can probably save us some time

Indiana is going bowling this year! Also, when did I miss thanksgiving? This usually happens after Thanksgiving, if at all.

WOW, so the white sox would have won 42? Boy, that’s totally a difference making kind of change.

Robert + Crochet + Benintendi for Holliday.