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From what we heard, one of the assistant hitting coaches recommended Vargas. He was fired a week later.

It’s entirely possible that Crochet gets a strong offer, it only takes one team to do it. Heck, the Phillies game today could affect this. With Robert, there is no way any team is paying a big prospect return for him after last year. If a team is trading for him, it’s at a big discount. But in both cases, it seems possible that the decision to move the players has already been made. That was clearly the case with Cease last year, he was getting traded for whatever offer came through. In the end they got a tolerable offer, certainly not a great one. If they’ve decided they are moving on from Robert no matter what, that hurts his value even more because that means the White Sox won’t hold him even if the offers for him are terrible. It also seems entirely possible that they e decided to attach Benintendi to Crochet to move his contract. This will also hurt the chances of moving Crochet. If a great offer does appear for Crochet then great, but if one doesn’t, and if they’re determined to dump these guys and to move Benintendi as well, then packaging them to get an actual highly regarded player seems reasonable to me. But the key is, if they’ve decided they’re trading Robert and they’re trading Crochet and they need to dump Benintendi’s contract, that removes a lot of leverage. Robert will not return much if he’s moved, even if a team loves him they will expect a huge discount after his awful 2024. If it’s already decided to be happening, then his price will be low, and that will be that.

Eh, for a guy with Crochet’s issues and only two years of control, that isn’t happening. I don’t think that’s a question if GM quality, that’s just where the market is now. Not in an offseason when there are other options. Maybe at a trade deadline if the market goes a bit nuts like in 2023.

And Cease.

I think I can confidently say the Orioles will not give up the top prospect in baseball last year and a top flight starting pitcher for Crochet, or even Crochet + Robert.

Thats cute language choice on Robert. A “guy who has put up a 5+ WAR season (actually no he hasn't) sounds better than a guy who put up a 0.5 WAR season last year. Crochet im not sure whether the market will be strong, he’s a legit talent but he has health concerns beyond an average pitcher at least for now. Someone might bid heavily for him, if you got the Phillies showing real interest for example we know they can be aggressive. Luis Robert will not bring the return of a 5 WAR player with 3 years of control remaining. If the White Sox have decided to move on from him, it will be at a super large discount.

You’re expecting MLb.coms prospects number 19 and 28 to come back in a Chris Getz deal? If you’d just like to copy and paste my scoffing at this from last year along with posts of how Morosi totally said it was going to happen it can probably save us some time

Indiana is going bowling this year! Also, when did I miss thanksgiving? This usually happens after Thanksgiving, if at all.

WOW, so the white sox would have won 42? Boy, that’s totally a difference making kind of change.

Robert + Crochet + Benintendi for Holliday.

I know nothing of the accuracy here, but just making sure people who might care can spot this.

They also spent more on free agents than any other team in the American League for this season.

I think there is a hope that he can bounce back. It requires either him to be much more healthy than this year or for him to change to a much smarter and more prepared approach at the plate. I do not know if the White Sox can make either of these happen.

A 121 loss season with multiple bad trades and signing a domestic abuser wasn’t the last straw, but this bad trade is the last straw? Naw.

While I get the comparison in terms of timing, the 2021 White Sox were also idiots. They had basically mortgaged everything they had on 2021 and we know how poor of a job they were doing with their development and attitude. The Os shouldn’t be anything near that awful.

It's certainly possible your'e right but I don't buy that this is certain at all. Way too much talent there to say this yet. Just takes one good run.

If you listened to the TV broadcast in like the 2nd inning, they described Hinch having the longest-pre-game meeting with his team that they'd ever seen today, going like 45 minutes and outlining all the potential pitching and hitting decisions that he might make. They quoted Joey Cora as saying that Hinch was the best planning coach, best prepared, and I believe they used the phrase "Most meticulous" coach that Cora had ever seen. I was lifting weights at the time so I didn't cry...but I thought about it.

AJ Hinch outdoes the Astros expensive bullpen

If he's being paid $1 million and a legit team realizes they could use a platoon 1b (Houston is an actual candidate here) they might send you a minor league reliever for him at the deadline. If he's being paid $5 million, they'll pass unless Reinsdorf covers some of the money. You may assess the odds of that happening yourself.

There is something special about his appearing in Forbes. One of the go to business journals ripping Reinsdorf as a businessman is pretty ideal, that type of disrespect just has to sting.

Was he very smart about his work? Well prepared? Did he set any clear boundaries with the franchise, did he make sure he had support from the franchise in terms of scouting reports, coaching, resources? Naw, if you believe the reports, he was the perfect Reinsdorf coach, a guy who liked baseball but didn’t want to learn anything new. He fit their prejudices To the letter, which is why things imploded under him so badly.

If you're smart...this is a career building step. Losing for a couple years, gaining experience at truly managing, maybe having a few things you can point to as successes - this can be a bridge elsewhere. The example continues to be AJ Hinch, who managed the Diamondbacks for less than 2 years, spent a couple of years in a front office, then got the Astros job. In that case, his previous experience with the Diamondbacks was viewed as a positive because he had experience managing a clubhouse, even if the team was not performing well. In the interviews, he was able to describe how his side and the analytics side would interact in what the Astros were building, he was able to put up a few firm walls around things like making the lineup and justify why that should be his responsibility, and Luhnow responded well to the balance that Hinch wanted to create. AJ Hinch is in the playoffs today, in part, because he lost for a few years with the Diamondbacks. His record there isn't anything to brag about, but it was useful experience for him. There's only 30 of these jobs, and only about 2/3 of those are worth having. if you want one, and a good one, you have to look at paths to get there. How many years was Dave Martinez a manager in waiting? Brian Snitker managed and coached in the Braves's system for like 30 years before he got the job there. Go into this role knowing its a salary boost, knowing it will not turn out well, do your best to set up clear boundaries with this organization, and try to use it as a career building experience. For the guy on the Dodgers, for example, it's a reasonable path.

If we are being honest and doing anything other than a temper tantrum, no we shouldn't let Grady ride it out. Grady is, quite honestly, out of date. He took 6 years out of baseball to raise his kids. While this is an honorable choice, how different were training techniques, pitching techniques, workout techniques back in 2017? The level of digital content, information, the way pitchers fire constant heat, these things are substantially different. He has been at most part of 1 spring training, on the outside with the White Sox, since coming back. He might be a great person, he might be a great motivator, but damn a team this young, with this many holes and pitchers to be brought up, needs a coach who at least has some experience with modern player training and development. Bring in someone more recently experienced. Whether that's Shoemaker, the guy with the Dodgers, or whoever else, bringing in someone who is fully up to date and who has been a major part of a training and development program recently should be a priority. Even Grady should want this, you can't just jump into some jobs this raw. Are we throwing a temper tantrum, saying "F*** this Getz is just going to find some more veterans and child abusers so who cares"? Because fine, might as well ride with Grady.

However, your bolded statement that you were not defending them was false.

Yours is definition (b)1.