Balta1701

They also spent more on free agents than any other team in the American League for this season.

I think there is a hope that he can bounce back. It requires either him to be much more healthy than this year or for him to change to a much smarter and more prepared approach at the plate. I do not know if the White Sox can make either of these happen.

A 121 loss season with multiple bad trades and signing a domestic abuser wasn’t the last straw, but this bad trade is the last straw? Naw.

While I get the comparison in terms of timing, the 2021 White Sox were also idiots. They had basically mortgaged everything they had on 2021 and we know how poor of a job they were doing with their development and attitude. The Os shouldn’t be anything near that awful.

It's certainly possible your'e right but I don't buy that this is certain at all. Way too much talent there to say this yet. Just takes one good run.

If you listened to the TV broadcast in like the 2nd inning, they described Hinch having the longest-pre-game meeting with his team that they'd ever seen today, going like 45 minutes and outlining all the potential pitching and hitting decisions that he might make. They quoted Joey Cora as saying that Hinch was the best planning coach, best prepared, and I believe they used the phrase "Most meticulous" coach that Cora had ever seen. I was lifting weights at the time so I didn't cry...but I thought about it.

AJ Hinch outdoes the Astros expensive bullpen

If he's being paid $1 million and a legit team realizes they could use a platoon 1b (Houston is an actual candidate here) they might send you a minor league reliever for him at the deadline. If he's being paid $5 million, they'll pass unless Reinsdorf covers some of the money. You may assess the odds of that happening yourself.

There is something special about his appearing in Forbes. One of the go to business journals ripping Reinsdorf as a businessman is pretty ideal, that type of disrespect just has to sting.

Was he very smart about his work? Well prepared? Did he set any clear boundaries with the franchise, did he make sure he had support from the franchise in terms of scouting reports, coaching, resources? Naw, if you believe the reports, he was the perfect Reinsdorf coach, a guy who liked baseball but didn’t want to learn anything new. He fit their prejudices To the letter, which is why things imploded under him so badly.

If you're smart...this is a career building step. Losing for a couple years, gaining experience at truly managing, maybe having a few things you can point to as successes - this can be a bridge elsewhere. The example continues to be AJ Hinch, who managed the Diamondbacks for less than 2 years, spent a couple of years in a front office, then got the Astros job. In that case, his previous experience with the Diamondbacks was viewed as a positive because he had experience managing a clubhouse, even if the team was not performing well. In the interviews, he was able to describe how his side and the analytics side would interact in what the Astros were building, he was able to put up a few firm walls around things like making the lineup and justify why that should be his responsibility, and Luhnow responded well to the balance that Hinch wanted to create. AJ Hinch is in the playoffs today, in part, because he lost for a few years with the Diamondbacks. His record there isn't anything to brag about, but it was useful experience for him. There's only 30 of these jobs, and only about 2/3 of those are worth having. if you want one, and a good one, you have to look at paths to get there. How many years was Dave Martinez a manager in waiting? Brian Snitker managed and coached in the Braves's system for like 30 years before he got the job there. Go into this role knowing its a salary boost, knowing it will not turn out well, do your best to set up clear boundaries with this organization, and try to use it as a career building experience. For the guy on the Dodgers, for example, it's a reasonable path.

If we are being honest and doing anything other than a temper tantrum, no we shouldn't let Grady ride it out. Grady is, quite honestly, out of date. He took 6 years out of baseball to raise his kids. While this is an honorable choice, how different were training techniques, pitching techniques, workout techniques back in 2017? The level of digital content, information, the way pitchers fire constant heat, these things are substantially different. He has been at most part of 1 spring training, on the outside with the White Sox, since coming back. He might be a great person, he might be a great motivator, but damn a team this young, with this many holes and pitchers to be brought up, needs a coach who at least has some experience with modern player training and development. Bring in someone more recently experienced. Whether that's Shoemaker, the guy with the Dodgers, or whoever else, bringing in someone who is fully up to date and who has been a major part of a training and development program recently should be a priority. Even Grady should want this, you can't just jump into some jobs this raw. Are we throwing a temper tantrum, saying "F*** this Getz is just going to find some more veterans and child abusers so who cares"? Because fine, might as well ride with Grady.

However, your bolded statement that you were not defending them was false.

Yours is definition (b)1.

I have every confidence that the White Sox could have turned him into an ineffective ground ball hitter if they had.

Wanna bet that it never affected his play?

The constant stream of leaks about how great the offers are for Crochet and the moment they flip into "Well that was the best offer available", both of which somehow mean that Getz is doing a great job.

I believe they should gift the white Sox a line in the Guinness Book of World Records as a tribute.

From a PR standpoint, telling the customers that things are great or already fixed on a night like last night just comes off as completely tone deaf. The day that the investigation report on Toyota’s acceleration problem or VW’s falsified emissions tests comes out, the customers don’t want to hear how great next years models look. When Mark McGuire was hauled before Congress and volunteered to lead an effort to limit steroid use, no one wanted to hear it because he was “not there to talk about the past.” Acknowledge the customers anger, say that we let our fans down, and say we will make it up to them in the future. Thats it, don’t talk about the great job you’ve done, because you haven’t.

I still remember reading a story many years ago of a father who saw that Mets roster and bet his son that they were a .250 team, no better no worse. The son took the bet knowing that a 162 game season cannot give a .250 winning percentage. And lost.

He is also the kind of guy who spends an entire winter talking about leadership and guys who play the right way and then thinks “you know the kind of leader I want? Mike Clevinger. I need that kind of leadership and will pay a premium price for it.”

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From the last thread on this topic:

This debacle developed under Tony. He's the one who let all the terrible personalities fester. This started in 2021-2022 with Tony as manager. I have never figured out what happened during that 8 game losing streak in April 2022 when suddenly the entire infield forgot how to field, but all I have is "something off the field was on all their minds." He had an opponent throw at his own damned DH for crying out loud.

There is nothing Getz should say tonight other than some version of "Yeah this sucks, we did a poor job." The fan base wants to hear nothing else. Give us at least a little while with the pitchforks and shut your mouth.