Balta1701

Since theyve all but guaranteed they will pass the Mets, 38 wins would be the worst winning percentage in the modern era. 7-15 or worse gets them that distinction.

In 2007 they finished 2nd, but they finished in last place 9 times in 12 years from 2004-2015, averaged 73 wins a year, and averaged finishing 21 games out of first in their division. 8 managers in 12 years, 0 playoff appearances. I guess losing 120+ is truly something special and we should be impressed at Domestic Violence Enthusiast Chris Getz for his novelty in this campaign, but last place 9 times in 12 years - even Rick Hahn couldn't pull that off.

I think that holding him on a roster this barren and with clear salary limits in the next few years gets you a strong chance at a "Felix Hernandez", a guy who was the best pitcher in the league for a decade, hall of famer, and Garret Crochet has more postseason pitching experience than him. But hell, if their returns are as weak as the ones Domestic Violence Enthusiast Chris Getz has been getting for his other trades, it's probably not worth arguing about.

In two years, when he would have been a free agent and making good money? Naw, not worth guessing.

If they cannot develop their own players, then this rebuild will turn out worse than the last one, as they got an impressive set of talent in the trades last time and they had multiple top 5 draft picks. So yes, they will have to go through a few cycles of this process, developing guys and trading them away hunting for even better returns, to find enough talent to be competitive, which is why this could easily be a 5+ year process. And if they continue to be unable to develop position player talent and unwilling to spend on top flight performers, this process could easily continue forever - there have been more than a few franchises that have been stuck in the waste bin for a decade+ - the Rockies, Pirates, Marlins, and Royals come to mind, and yeah the White Sox are pretty regularly getting compared to those teams. A team that can develop pitching but can't develop hitters to save their jobs is the Mariners, and they had about a 20 year playoff drought.

1. There are always realistic off-season signings who contribute to teams. Jurickson Profar is being paid $1 million this season and has been amazing. These signing will not reshape a roster, but it is also unusual for the White Sox to be as bad with their signings as they have been. What I have been watching for 1 calendar year now - Domestic Violence Enthusiast Chris Getz will talk about the importance of defense, or of leadership, but I have yet to hear him once talk about the importance of working a count, drawing walks, or getting on base. They should not be so consistently bad at their offense, and I think the reason is that they look for this super aggressive, swing at everything and hit it on the ground player format, you know, like David Eckstein, and this is the offense you get when you try to find 12 of those. 2. No, they cannot currently count on Montgomery and should not do so. He should clearly be back in the minors and he has to earn a callup. Whether it's injury or something else, don't leave spot open for him, he isn't a big leaguer right now. 3. I think Quero probably breaks camp with the big league team. He should catch full time. Maybe he gets sent down for a little time for service time manipulation, but yeah Quero has earned a chance at the big leagues. Go ahead and pencil him in.

Quite Simply, for an organization this bereft of talent, "Players returned in a trade for Gerrit Crochet + having $25 million to spend" is a better situation than having a good Gerrit Crochet and spending $25 million on him. The same calculus was correctly made for Cease and he brought back a couple of the players you think are part of the potential future rotation, it's no different with Crochet.

This is a different woman from the pre-2023 investigation.

This seems relevant to where this thread went.

He needed 37 more games to qualify for the Baseball-Reference listing of managerial career records. Sigh. Would have been the 3rd worst.

Luis Robert is the perfect distillation of the laziness of the White Sox’s staff. Any other, professional organization with a guy coming up with his talent level, they would work with him on good habits like preparing for games and using information to be better. The White Sox firmly believe that this is too much work. This is where the lack of staff employed by the team matters. While he’s coming up, he isn’t coached, and when he’s healthy he has success based solely on his athletic gifts. When he gets to the big leagues, he doesn’t know the coaches names because he doesn’t want coaching and doesn’t believe in it. This has been said publicly, he doesn’t want scouting reports he just wants to do his thing, and no one in the White Sox organization was willing to correct it. Now, it has become a bad habit that he doesn’t think he needs to change, after all he’s an all star. They drop videos about how great of shape he’s in, but not about him working on recognizing pitches or studying film, because convincing him to do that and then teaching him effectively would take hard work, and the White Sox don’t do that. Then a few injuries start nagging more, he goes from 99th percentile skills to something less than that at least for a time, and his athleticism doesn’t carry him as much as he used to. Because they allowed him to get away with not wanting to learn anything, he has not become a smarter player like many guys do with experience, he’s still trying to swing as hard as he can, but it’s just less effective.

Loperfido has more home runs in the last 2 years than Vargas has in the last three.

Loperfido isn’t a terrible comp in value for Vargas. Big AAA performance, old for that level, has done tolerably at the big league level for a rookie but not breakout numbers. Needs to cut down on the Ks to be anything but a backup.

Move to Nashville you bums.

More likely that they will just pick up MMs option in May and release Lee. MM is great behind the plate, the announcers will tell you so.

He has an option for next year too. Being terrible last year didn't stop him from getting $4 million based on reputation for grindy veteranyness.

I know they're bad, but this would be seriously bad, like beyond what we can fathom. That 2003 Tigers team was incredible. A guy lost 20 games. They were saved from being a 40 win team literally by the White Sox. The As last year couldn't keep up being that bad. This would be a challenge.

I have literally no idea what this refers to because it could be so many things.

Modern era is 36-117 by the Philadelphia A's in 1916, a .235 winning percentage. The worst recent one was the 43-119 Tigers in 2003. I believe that season got them the draft pick that became Verlander. I believe that something like 10 of their wins came against the White Sox, IIRC, and had the White Sox gone several games better agains those Tigers it could easily have put them into a tie with the Twins. 2018 Orioles, 2019 Tigers both won 47 games.

Martin should not be an option as he's less than a year out from TJS.

During the offseason after 2022, we heard reports of both Moncada and Grandal having major back issues during the year. It made sense given the big struggles of both of them, so I believe for Moncada it's at least been 2 seasons now.

When they finished paying off the penalties for Robert's signing after 2018, they looked to have a good amount of money to spend, and they did spend it. They added something like $40 million to the 2019 payroll along with commitments for 2020, followed by two larger contracts in 2020. Because Rick Hahn was the GM, half of that money was spent on over-the-hill relievers. At least as of now, I don't feel compelled to try to hang Getz with what was clearly a problem with Hahn's strategy. They did so in the Rick Hahn way, but they had money to spend and they did spend it.

Being reactive to soreness and injury rather than expecting him to have some limits and being proactive about giving him extra rest or putting limits on his pitch counts early in the season is totally a questionable decision. Someone claiming that this is what they should do would be considered an extreme hot take too.