Balta1701

He came up and immediately led the league in strikeouts while being a below average defender. For a supposed number 1 prospect in baseball, yuck. Adley Rutschman in 2 seasons has put up 10 WAR, Moncada put up 2.

Yoan Moncada was a disaster when he was called up. Completely terrible approach at the plate, took several years to have a decent year and a totally revamped approach at the plate because his was so bad. Then fell apart again.

Eloy is not a feather in anyone’s cap, he’s a major disappointment. Yoan is a major disappointment. Pretty much all of them have been at best inconsistent so far, maybe save Robert. Had these guys been feathers in anyone’s cap, the White Sox wouldn’t have lost 101 games last year.

Martin Maldonado can’t be bad because people have always said he’s good and that never changes so I don’t need to listen to anything that says he was. Logical. Flawlessly logical.

Playing bad players is not going to help pitchers.

He’s exactly the kind of guy who will praise Maldonado when a pitcher has a good game and rip the pitcher when he has a bad game. Watch.

You will get this thing where every time a pitcher has a good game they praise him, and every time a pitcher has a bad game it’s the pitchers fault. Any younger catchers will get the exact opposite treatment. No one will ever evaluate whether he’s doing a good job of game calling it will just be asserted.

Maldonado can’t throw a baseball to 2b any more so he might as well try throwing that.

He was terrible, but once you’ve been declared a solid fielding veteran catcher, old time baseballers never bother to reassess that. It was Dusty’s problem last year and although everyone here understood what Dusty had brought, there was legit frustration because Dusty’s love for Maldonado hurt the team. Getz has done some things so far that I wouldn’t call obvious mistakes. This is the kind of classic, old school, baseball stupid mistakes I expected.

Just for reference, BaseballProspectus graded Maldonado as the worst defensive catcher in baseball last year. That list includes Perez and Lee. https://www.baseballprospectus.com/leaderboards/fielding/

Lee appears to have one optio. Year remaining.

Who cares? Play the kid.

Isn’t the Hall actually an independent business?

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/how-not-to-build-for-depth/

So if the bears win one of the next two that’s a 7-10 season. While it was a more difficult ride than I would have wanted I’d have called that pretty reasonable improvement at the start of the season and said the coaching staff and GM had done what was needed for this year. I note how emphatically people want the coaches removed. Does an 8-9 or 7-10 finish change those thoughts at all? They’re basically “fix the historic collapses” away from the wild card hunt this year, despite a terrible start.

It is possible for an ask of 3-4 prospects to have more value than 1. This is why fathoms reaction was “yeah he’s not moving if they’re asking that”. The good news though for my “agenda” as y’all say is that this is a bad enough strategy that it just increases the chances Cease doesn’t move.

Tyler Glasnow, he cost Ryan Pepiot.

Note the contrast though! Youre saying Hahn asked for too much and silly Balta that’s why he didn’t move. Great work by Getz doing the same thing though.

If you did a little of that in November, fine, you’re probably not going to scare away the fish. If you’re doing that in December, they’ll just understand that you’re not serious and go figure out other options.

However, if you have potential customers who might pay $6, and they’re going to buy something with their money, if your asking price is $20 they’re most likely going to politely talk with you and then walk away. No matter how many times you leak to the press that someone is definitely going to pay $20, they will still be smarter than that. They might even wait a few weeks and leak to Jeff Passan that you’re asking $20 for a $5 car.

Early December, the Winter Meetings, is not so early that you want to tell everyone that his price is exorbitant and something no one would ever pay if you actually are wanting to move him.

I wouldn’t describe any of those guys using those words. Hell, Leury came over in a trade from Texas, Yermin was 25 and had been in Baltimore and Washington’s systems before here. The only one with more than a rounding error to 0 WAR in their careers is Leury.

But the bolded is what you folks have been expecting consistently in this thread and telling me will happen this time.

Or the other option still is possible - that none of them will pay this diamond price, and they will fill their needs as well as they can with the pieces that are available. This is precisely what happened at the trade deadline with Cease last year, no team was willing to pay the kind of asking price the White Sox wanted. This is also what has happened through the full offseason so far.

That isn't the question though. The question is whether that's more a deal that would work for both teams, as that would at least satisfy some of Baltimore's pitching need at a cost it was more willing to pay.