Balta1701

So we save $10 million on his deal? Great, that's a solid win.

Ok, so in 2023, the Angels were actually team #6 in terms of Launch Angle. This is positive, and furthermore, their launch angle didn't substantially drop when he came in, so it doesn't look like he was specifically saying "hit the ball on the ground!!!" However, it also didn't improve when he got there and... In 2022, the Marlins were team #26. Team #27 that year was the White Sox. At least the Marlins were a ground ball team in 2021 also, so this isn't the obvious trend the White Sox had under Menechino.

I mean, Frazier graded out as a terrible defender last year, but sure why not.

Considering the comparison we saw in sizes between their coaching staff last year and the Cubs staff and front office, "Extra guys slotted somewhere" will have plenty to do.

Hell, if they were good defensively, at least it would be an upgrade on something. Considering that they were the worst defensive team in the sport last year.

I could see some of these guys being more likely to do what Rodon did with San Fran - a 2 year deal with an opt out after 1, so they get 2 years of money if they continue to suck, but where everyone is happy and they get a qualifying offer if they're back to normal in Y1.

This is the market for players that have performed at his level. The fact that he's a high-risk guy is why he's not getting a $300 million contract. This is another version of "why building your team through free agency, rather than through the draft, is very risky". Your hope with him is he gives you a couple seasons that are strong, and that puts you over the top. You cannot look at a guy like this and think "This is a long term piece I can build around", you have to think "This puts me over the top right now and that's why I will spend the money".

I said an outfielder.

Let's take our mind off of being the White Sox for a moment and think about a team say...the Arizona Diamondbacks. 20th in OPS from their CF spot this year, 15th in OPS from their RF spot, 28th in OPS from their DH spot. One of their OFs, Lourdes Gurriel, is a free agent. They have playoff and WS revenue. Madison Bumgarner's contract is mercifully ending. They have Druw Jones in the minor leagues as a young OF, but he's down at A ball so he's several years away, no help next year. They don't want to take a step back. They have a middle of their order with Moreno and Walker in it, both of whom are righties. Is that a team that could, and perhaps should, be in the market for a $200+ million OF?

I think that most of us were in some version of "Wait and See" mode on Grifol through last offseason. I think most of us would be in "Wait and see" mode on a guy like Vogt. No experience doing this, but more than one team was willing to interview him this offseason and he definitely hung around the big leagues as a catcher for a while, so no reason to say "this is a great idea" or "This is a terrible idea". It took until sometime during the losing streak to start the year for people to start turning on Grifol, and things piled up during the year from there. The fact that he hasn't done this before in any way, shape, or form might lead him to having a limited margin for error, especially following up a Francona.

While those are needs, easily their biggest priority is getting on base, and patience associated with that.

While likely true, there's also a lot of money available and not a lot of difference-making position players available, so that could be a genuine price war. I looked up the 2022 MLBTR projections, and out of the top 15, 12 signings were for more than their projection.

Since you're still around $100m, can I check whether you saw the MLB Trade Rumors contract projection on him?

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That does feel a lot like what I've expected the White Sox to do, which is why I'm kinda calling it out. It's the same sort of "doing a few things but not really and hope that everything turns out all right" that is the general expectation. If they were going to do that, I would understand letting Anderson go a lot less.

I don't see a whole lot of teams looking for a shortstop though. Especially if there are decent ones on the trade market, and there appear to be a couple potential ones.

For "Stop gap the team" you have an awful lot of multi-year deals, including the biggest deal in team history again. A lot of those guys are going to be tough to trade at least until 2025, maybe longer, and if and when this team does become good some of them are going to be Benintendi-like risky money. For the biggest example, you're paying Montgomery for his age 31 to 34 seasons, is he going to keep up this pace through age 33 or 34? This is the kind of deal I keep saying I'd avoid because it's not a stop gap deal, it's outbidding 20 other franchises for a top 5 pitcher on the market.

Naw I have, I just am not ready to question moves yet when I can't say with certainty that "all trades must be bad because the White Sox might do them." The one spot where I did say "This isn't right" wasn't that they are bringing in guys that Getz knows from other places, instead it was where Barfield seemed to think that it was his job to personally work to fix Michael Kopech, which is completely the wrong way of thinking for a guy in upper management. The White Sox are in a spot where, given that they have the most money in the AL Central to spend, if their GM does an "Average" job then they are going to regularly be competitive for the division. Getz could bring in a lot of guys who are "Average", and in 2 or 3 years he's got a team that wins in the low to mid 80s in a normal year and is regularly competing for the division. That they were with the Royals doesn't mean they can't do an "Average job". That they were with the Royals doesn't mean that all trades must immediately go bust. It took years for us to understand that the reason every trade Rick Hahn made went bust was that Rick Hahn and the people around him were terrible at their jobs. And they didn't come from the Royals. That Barfield didn't seem to understand what the appropriate role should be for the #2 guy in the organization - that's a much worse sign than the fact that Getz knew him previously.

If Amed Rosario wants multiple years, then nah I won't want him. I'd take him for 1 year, for less money than Anderson's option. Yeah I'd totally go for Kiner-Falefa if he got $5 million or less. Dude outperformed Anderson last year!

Yeah, Mike Clevinger should have been suspended. For 2022, during that losing streak - it sure seems like everyone hated Keuchel, for whatever reason.

Lighting money on fire by spending it inefficiently sounds an awful lot like the most likely outcome of picking up Tim Anderson's option. The downside risk is $14 million, which is a lot for a guy coming off a negative WAR season. Last offseason, no one got $14 million for putting up a negative WAR 2022 - if you exclude Conforto (out for the year) and international free agents. Out of this group of players, Kahnle got the largest contract at 2 years/$11 million total.

His on the field performance seemed to fall apart at just about the same time as his off the field issues hit, and his on the field performance collapsed in such a specific way that you'd think he was just distracted. In 2022 as part of the opening 8 game losing streak, there was a multi-game stretch where he was fielding just about as well as I would. He wasn't hurt, he was still seemingly playing, but he basically forgot how to "Defense". While we never got the whole story, it sure seemed like "off the field stuff is leaking through onto the field" was the most rational explanation.

I love how everyone's like "Sure I just spent $75 million but maybe this team could hang round .500 at best". FWIW, I started trying to have the White Sox corner the entire trade market and trade away their entire system, and I ran into a brick wall. I brought in Soto, Adames and Burnes from Milwaukee, but then I ran into the wall. I'd traded away all 3 of their top 100 prospects in those 2 deals, but I'd added in about $45 million already. If I tried to go for Glasgow, I could probably still do it, but I'd have to absorb a $25 million it. If I tried to trade for someone cheaper, I could probably do it, but they leave me with a still weaker rotation than what I needed.

No matter how terrible the signing of Getz was, let's not yet hang the failures of his predecessors on him.

Apparently they’re loaded enough with young and upcoming pitching that they might well think about it, if they got several strong position playing prospects back.