Greg Hibbard

It seems to me that the jury will be out on the return of this trade for at least two years. what kind of production do we need to see from these four players for this trade to be viewed as an overall success?

I agree with a lot of what you say, but I don’t know that Reynaldo Lopez is a failure in the same sense that some of these others are. He contributed quite a bit especially in the last couple years.

This was exactly what I was going to post as well. It's like they are trolling the fans even with the fluff pieces.

I liked TA, and I also like this move both for the White Sox and TA. The org needs to move away from him and he needs a fresh start. I would love for people against this to explain to me the maximum value Tim Anderson (given his last two subpar seasons, his age, and his power outage) hitting well next season would net the White Sox in trade. 2024 is dead; there’s no way this team can win as constructed; so it’s not likely picking up his option helps us win a title. TA’s max value is prospects, and not top prospects, IMO, so I think this proposition was either paying $14 million hoping to get two mid tier prospects that pan out to decent major leaguers in two years - with a decent chance that Tim is actually just done and you waste $14 million - or you’re going to keep $13 million of that $14 million and know you can spend that money better elsewhere this season and in the future. seems like a no brainer to me

Even if TA has a good first half of next year, what is the market value for a 2 month rental of an over 30 proven clubhouse headache who is also a defensive liability with almost no power? You're not going to get anything of real value long term for him. Cut bait now. The only way picking up the option makes sense to me is if you wanted him around and could get a team-friendly long term contract out of him at a good future value for a good first half.

Now at .310/.889 since joining the Marlins. 12 doubles and 8 home runs in 44 games played. I like him so much. Still root for him.

Last 37 games, .293/.333/.474/.807 141 plate appearances is a small sample size, but maybe this guy is back to being good again? we could use a bright spot…

Why is Sox marketing and FO so desperate to force feed us this idea of Andrew Vaughn as leader on and off the field lately? Every time I turn around I’m reading another headline about Vaughn being some kind of leader, or that the FO consulted him regarding a trade. Today Sox FB splashed a big quote from Dylan’s Cease about how he was player of the game. His stat line, his WAR, his defensive value, his speed….look, I like Andrew and hope he improves… but he is an utterly unremarkable first baseman. 15-20 homers and an OPS in the mid 700s is not going to cut it at a position where you need big slugging and big OBA. If he is what this is, he is kind of a bust as a major league first baseman. I say this in sharp contrast to Sox marketing of Luis Robert, who they aren’t really putting forth as a “leader”. Like it or not, Robert is the very best player on the field and they better start making him the centerpiece of what they’re moving forward with…he is coming into his own as one of the very best players in the game. Anyone have any insight as to why the Sox are so in love with Andrew Vaughn? Again nice player, but consistently unremarkable in every category.

Who the hell would ever want to come play for this org? Serious question.

He will be traded in less than 40 days one way or another. It’s a shame that everyone is probably going to focus on the last two bad months here rather than the 3-4 good years he had here.

I think TA is a rare player who is extremely susceptible to good and bad stretches based on how his life is going. We saw it in 2018 when he struggled mightily for a whole season after the death of his friend, and we are seeing it now with his off the field problems this year. I don’t think there’s anyone alive who thought Tim at his very best was some sort of sustainable clip, but I also don’t think Tim at his worst is what he is either. I would be very surprised if he doesn’t have another good stretch in him like what he did from 2019-2021.

Where in the article does TA actually say he is misunderstood? I think the headline is pretty deceiving.

“Passable” AAAA ML players for cheap

Yes, I would like this team to win a championship. There is not a chance they will be able to do that while Reinsdorf is still owner, because you would have to luck into the perfect storm of player development, trades, FA signings, and timing that represents a 1 in 100,000,000,000,000 chance that occupies the calendar year of our Jerry 2005.

Can some reporter ask a question like this or will they get permabanned? The team has an 85% success rate at stolen bases. I don’t care who gets injured, because they get injured anyway. So run. I don’t care if it’s some slow mammoth of a player. Run, Gavin Sheets. Run, Andrew Vaughn. Sing for your supper. Act like you actually play the game harder than everyone else for once this season. Run even if Grifol tells you not to. Show some damned fire. I want them running laps after the game anyway because they play like little leaguers, so this would be a good start.

But do you trust the inept Angels organization to build with trade return what they can’t with standard drafting and ML scouting? I don’t trust the White Sox to do that certainly. My plan is to follow individual players I like and stop thinking this stupid org is going to win anything soon. Luis Robert remains a player I like to watch and root for. There’s a few on this team. There’s no way this clown show of an org will win anything ever again in mine or your lifetime. Once you let all that go and just get back to enjoying whatever about this shitshow you can, things get a lot better

So, you would deal him for what? 6 prospects? 8 prospects? What that you could get back for the rest of Robert’s contract makes us a winner? Anyone acquiring him isn’t giving up proven ML talent. What that we get back makes us a winner by the end of Robert’s contract?

What??? Robert is a 5-6 WAR player even when he isn’t really that into it. Why keep anyone at any time if you’re not going to keep a 5-6 WAR stud you’re paying 9.5 million for this season?

Sheets is hitting .179/.593 in June. He provides negative value at this point. The cup of coffee is now empty and it’s time.

But then you consider that a 2.8 WAR player is almost the ideal player for this organization. Good enough to stick around for 6 years at the minimum, not good enough to not take a big extension that guarantees them 50 million over 4 years or something. So maybe Vaughn at #3 is an exactly perfect textbook White Sox culture pick.

Exactly. No quality FA would ever want to come here until we have different ownership.

The solo home run phenomenon of this team is so fitting: a bunch of nonplussed dudes completely disconnected from one another racking up the emptiest of stats in a forest that mow down trees that don’t make a sound when falling. They are full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Why are other rookies succeeding despite that?

I just don’t understand the upside. The dude is super slow, he doesn’t defend at an elite level, he doesn’t have plus power, and he doesn’t take enough walks. What the hell were we sold on? A high enough floor to be assured of being a right handed Gavin Sheets?

Jerry should just own-manage. Hahn can still be the GM. It would be fitting.