Milkman delivers

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 7, 2011 -> 09:23 AM) This is a good post. I'll miss Mark if he goes, which looks increasingly likely. One my my favorites. But you are right, I think a lot of reactions here, one way or the other, are being driven by emotional attachment. Like the phases someone goes through when a relationship ends. I've clearly stated my opinion in PHT recently. I think it's a perfect time to let Buehrle walk, but he'll only be proving himself a complete hypocrite if he signs somewhere far from St. Louis for a huge sum of money/years. I'd like him to somehow land with the Cardinals.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Dec 7, 2011 -> 08:22 AM) My favorite apples by far I know I've had them at some point, but it must have been years ago. I just happened to buy some yesterday, and it surprised the hell out of me how delicious it was.

QUOTE (kwolf68 @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 11:51 PM) I can buy this. However, it has been suggested here that the Jays actively came after Santos. And how elite of a prospect is Molina that we'd be losing so much to walk away? Opinions are mixed on him...some say future relief pitcher, others say middle of rotation. I've seen no one saying he's a top end starter. It is clear (without me seeing him I'll admit) that he has impressive control, a big time splitter...but the other pitches don't appear to grade as high. The one thing I DO Like and this is the ONLY thing I like is that Keith Law doesn't like the trade. Maybe enough that KW and company jumped at the opportunity?

QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 11:48 PM) Absolutely Eh, you're biased, old man.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 11:20 PM) because we werent shopping him! we weren't looking to trade him. We wanted Molina, and when AA said Santos, we pulled the trigger. You can't say "oh please give me a few hours to see if I can get a better deal". What kind of negotiating is that? If you feel you're getting a good deal, based on all the evaluations you've been making the last however many years, you take it. THAT'S the game. That's how it works. You said it better.

QUOTE (kwolf68 @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 11:07 PM) I just don't know why Williams wouldn't bid up the price on Santos. Having a team out there that would have been interested who wasn't even aware of Santos' availability just wreaks of bush league GM work. I don't get it. Every single expert on MLB Network is pretty much scratching their head over this move. Adding the fact at least 1 team confirmed to have no knowledge of player's availability just adds to the disappointment of this deal, because it likely (not guaranteed, but possible) could have brought us back a better package. Perhaps the Sox went after Molina, not intending to offer Santos. The Blue Jays said, "you give us Santos and it's a deal." KW might not have wanted to back down off of their negotiations in order to shop Santos around, as they could possibly have lost their chance at Molina by walking away or hurt his reputation as a GM sort of in the way that Rizzo did it to KW. I'm not saying that it's a good reason, but it might be something along those lines.

QUOTE (flippedoutpunk @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 11:36 PM) based on the few people i know that live there, i think marijuana is legal And I think everyone is rich there.

QUOTE (kev211 @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 11:26 PM) http://www.wrestling-edge.com/wwe-news-rum...llys-forum.html Says here that Triple H was in charge of Monday's Raw. Which might explain why it was awesome. As much as I hate the guy, he understands the way to do a show. It's like Mel Gibson. The guy might be a douchebag, but he knows how to make a movie.

SOA, go f*** yourself.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 06:33 PM) I never have a problem with guys going for the most money. People actually criicized ARod for taking the extra $100 million. Buehrle is probably set for life, but pitching 6 months a year for 4 more years sets up another generation or 3. I understand going for the money. I really do. But with most guys, they don't repeat over and over again how much being close to home and wanting to retire means to them. I doubt A-Rod was talking about wanting to play closer to New York or the Dominican Republic, perhaps retiring at the end of whichever contract he was on at the time, etc.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 06:05 PM) I'm serious. I knew when we started off slow that we would have a may-june run that would have people saying "Oooh well maybe if we have a good second half" and then the second half is just going to be a brutal trudge to third place. The reason I asked was because I had a similar belief. I wasn't sure if you were mocking the people who thought that or not.

Holy f***, Fuji apples are delicious.

QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 06:03 PM) I seriously think Dunn is going to rebound and all this talk will be lost. I still don't think he was 100% healthy from his surgery in mid-April, Rushed back and was too stubborn to admit it. I can't think of a person on Earth that wouldn't come clean about it after having the worst season in the history of the sport, no matter how "stubborn" he may be.

QUOTE (mcgrad70 @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 05:57 PM) A team in no worse than baseball's 3rd largest market should never find themselves rebuilding... This is where you tell us that it's Jerry Reinsdorf's fault...

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 05:25 PM) Kris-Cross gonna make ya jump - jump! I still dress like that.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 05:44 PM) DKnobler DKnobler White Sox rebuilding: If they get what they want, Danks, Floyd, Quentin, Beckham all will be gone by opening day 1 minute ago Favorite Retweet Reply Beckham is a weird one. I understand why you would want to be rid of him, but you probably won't get much after his last two seasons. QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 05:44 PM) Amen. That's why I knew the ending to last year in April. Sarcasm or not?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 05:55 PM) The #18 ranking was for BA's yet-to-be released 2012 Prospect Handbook. I'm 100% certain of this. Right now, he's our #2 prospect per Callis. Who is #1?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 05:35 PM) No, the closer should be Crain. See if he can handle the role and if he does well, then you can move him at the deadline for something of value. If not, then give Reed the job. That's a nice plan, actually.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 05:34 PM) After seeing a fair but not spectacular return for Santos, the more I think about it the more I'd like to see Viciedo shopped in an effort to bolster the rotation. No.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 04:43 PM) Molina better be badass. I have no worries about Reed, he's a machine designed to get people out, but I want a great return for Sergio Santos. I feel like there's a great nickname somewhere in there.

QUOTE (CyAcosta41 @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 04:03 PM) Ex-Sox Santo(s) Elected to HOF In my opinion, some of the responses around here substantially overvalue Sergio and non-Mo closers generally. Sergio was a great story and a pretty good reliever too. I have a suspicion the league has figured him out a bit and his best days might be behind him, but only time will tell. So, I have no problem trading "high." But Kenny! Trading HIGH means ... umm ... trading ... HIGH. Ever hear of leverage??? Count me in with those who believe a more skilled GM might have received more for a young, low-mileage, cost-controlled reliever, with at times dominant stuff, who has had pretty darned good success already in the bigs than a non-stuff prospect with just a handful of games at AA. Most. Prospects. Don't. Make. It. More often than not, when a known big leaguer is traded for prospects, they are traded for MULTIPLE prospects (unless the prospects are virtual "can't miss" prospects or ones with ungodly tools -- by all accounts, while a good prospect, Molina is neither). Sure seems that WE generally have to trade multiple prospects when we trade for current major leaguers. Yes, I'm not in on the meetings and I don't know for sure, but doesn't it always APPEAR that KW just takes the first interesting offer and NEVER creates any sort of auction mentality when he makes his trades? Gammons suggested teams like the Red Sox and Orioles would have had great interest in Sergio. Rather than forever being stealth-Kenny and loving to surprise people with under-the-radar deals, how about notifying a lot of teams -- including some with strong rivalries -- that player X is available for the high bidder and pump-up-the-bidding? Seems other teams do this all the time and we NEVER, EVER do it. I've always loved Kenny's go-for-it mentality, but, increasingly, I just don't think he's very good at the skill-set required of a trade-making GM. Wow, I agree with every word of this.

QUOTE (103 mph screwball @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 02:27 PM) It was ugly last year! The difference this year will be expectations. Last years team underachieved and was very disappointing. I was able to attend two games last year. The first one was the 9th inning Loss to Oakland featuring Juan getting picked off twice and bullpen mismanagement/implosion. The second one was a blow out loss to the yankees where their fans out numbered ours by the end of the game. To me THAT was rock bottom. I am an optimist. 1. Ozzie gone will help the Sox improve. I know Ventura will make mistakes. I think that little of Ozzie the past several years. 2. De Aza will be better than Juan 3. Dunn and Rios will improve either because of returning to norms or because lack of expectations 4. Viciedo 5. Hopefully Peavy will be an asset 6. Beckham gets a new hitting coach and a manager who isn't jealous of him 7. Morel is for real and will be solid I hope Rock is right. Move some salaries, replace them some players with potential, restock the farm, bring back Mark. I have a feeling with Ozzie gone some of these guys will be revitalized and new leaders will step up. UGH! We're falling right back into our old rut.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 04:46 PM) I wouldn't be entirely surprised seeing Konerko dealt with us acquiring alonso yonder and yasmani grandal from the reds in a separate deal. Got that backwards.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 05:16 PM) Do people not realize this? The Giants were willing to give up $15 million just to never watch him play anymore and they have one of the worst offenses in baseball. He's bad and steroid testing isn't gonna end anytime soon. HE WAS NEVER ON STEROIDS. STEFF TOLD ME SO.