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QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 07:53 PM) Im not getting upset MM, but come on now. Imagine how you would react if i said the exact same thing about a villain you chose, you would defend your choice too. I thought Fiennes was an intense, scary and completely heartless villain, and Voldemort was even moreso in the books. I also know that there are plenty of extremely good villains that were left out of my list unintentionally(totally spaced out on two MAJOR villains and didnt feel like resubmitting and giving knightni more work to do), but these lists will probably look different for all of us 10 years from now. Except for flasoxx. he probably will always have the same list of classic horror villains from now until the day he dies It sounded like you were taking it personally. I like the Harry Potter movies, to be honest. I just wouldn't ever take them seriously enough to list any bad guys from them as villains.

Both sides just focusing on the absolute worst-case scenario of the opposite side. This argument is going nowhere.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 07:07 PM) so my age determines whether i can recognize if Voldemort is a good villain or not? What other qualifiers should i look out for? Take it easy, man. It's an easy joke.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 06:42 PM) That's good for you, but the average fan doesn't think that way. If the Sox are losing, their overall attendance will drop guaranteed. Thanks. For a second, I thought I was speaking for the entire fan base. I was responding to his statement that anyone who says they'll support the team if they suck is full of s***.

QUOTE (knightni @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 06:32 PM) Voldemort is as valid as any Disney villain. I wans't questioning the validity. It just seems too young for guys posting on this site to vote for. We all grew up with Disney villains. Harry Potter came out when most of us were 20+.

QUOTE (spiderman @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 06:39 PM) I'm not sure that it's Peavy (assuming that the story is true).... The list of candidates include: AJ, Konerko, Peavy, Thornton. I have a hard time believing that the three players - Dunn, Rios and Peavy - most responsible for the payroll squeeze and underachieving team would have the nerve to request a trade. I could be wrong, and wouldn't be shocked if I were incorrect, but I would think it's one of the 3 names other than Peavy that i mentioned above, and, guess what, if Williams decides to move Floyd and/or Danks, along with losing Buerhle, what sense does it make to keep Konerko or AJ? I'd actually be surprised if it weren't Peavy. I've truly grown to hate that guy.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 06:33 PM) First off, everyone here saying they'd go to more games if we rebuild is either full of s*** or goes to so few games it doesn't even matter. Almost every single fan, casual or hardcore, will go to less games and that's completely normal during a rebuilding process. But please don't act like you're going to support a 90-100 loss team the same financially as you would a .500 team just because you think the front office is making the right decision to rebuild. Just watch how many season ticket holders we'll lose if we do. Speaking of which, trying to maintain (and normally trying to grow) your season ticket base is of the utmost importance for every MLB franchise. Having a certain amount of fixed revenue is critical to have a well-run organization and the season ticket holders provide a significant chunk of that. Therefore, keeping them happy is extremely important, because once you lose them it's hard to get them back. If that means keeping a fan favorite and pretending to be more competitive then we're really going to be then so be it. As long as that player is not blocking a prospect (which he wouldn't be, since we have few SP prospects) and the resources used to him retain don't need to be allocated to some obvious area (which should have been the draft if not for the new CBA) what do we have to lose? Cutting payroll is going to happen if we rebuild, but people forget that there is a certain payroll level that is sustainable no matter how competitive we are. If you can fit Buehrle into that payroll figure, then why the hell not? He'll reduce some stress on our young relievers by eating innings, he can be a great mentor to the young starting pitchers, and he'll keep a lot of season ticket holders happy. So once again, for all the people that think resigning Buerhle would be stupid if we rebuild, what would you rather do with that $13 million a year? Because right now all I'm seeing people suggesting cut excess payroll to simply line Reinsdorf's pockets. I paid for a grand total of 0 tickets last season. If they do a true rebuild, I'll be back to my usual 15-20 whether or not you believe it.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 06:22 PM) And whats the difference if he stays a White Sox or goes somewhere else? Its not like they are getting the top pick next June letting him go. One thing I've noticed about guys who can't get traded because of no trade protection and are on teams that aren't good.............they seemed to get traded. Either Buerhle helps the Sox win some games the next few years or the team really sucks and they find another place for him to go. Its not like they are gaining anything but increasing JR's bank account by letting him go. And if we keep him to help draw fans, they aren't gaining anything but increasing JR's bank account. If they let him walk, there's a better chance at higher draft picks next year and extra money for scouting, etc.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 05:19 PM) Feel free to submit your own list that lords over everyone elses I already did.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 04:59 PM) Anything that would placate a few season ticket holders! The "logic" behind some of moves that are supposed to entice season ticket holders kind of draws these people, who earn enough money to buy tickets in large sums, as pretty damn stupid.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 04:54 PM) Fans polled in Lawrence, Kansas disagree and think Buehrle not being signed will result in billions in lost in attendance revenue and our not winning the World Series the next three years. It will somehow also directly result in the Marlins winning those three World Series, even if Buehrle doesn't sign there.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 04:53 PM) No, sorry. I was listing the high ceiling arms they have now, not guys they've busted. Oh, gotcha. I know nothing about their current farm, so I assumed you were listing former busts I'd also never heard of.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 03:56 PM) Interesting - $12M-$13M per for 3 years. I was saying before all the sweepstakes he'd get less than his last contract, and everyone scoffed. He's not likely to get the 4/$56 kind of deal people are talking about, unless one of those teams goes nuts. At 3/$36-$39, if the Sox can move a few salaries, I'd love to see them do it. And I still stick with my earlier assertion, 60% chance he stays. It's still pretty early in the process. If multiple teams are already out there offering 3 years and almost $40 million, then that can easily grow quite a bit.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 03:46 PM) That's why I said I "desperately" want to keep him. If Sox are too cheap and want to slap the loyal fans in the face and let him go, then I'd rather see him stay in Chicago and not be on the f***ing Twins beating us six times a year and like somebody said, no-hitting us, which he would. Oh God, shut up. And this: QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 03:48 PM) It makes NO business sense whatsoever for the Sox to sign a borderline #2/#3 veteran starter to a multiyear deal at $12m-$15m per year right now. If KW signs Buerhle ot anything other than a below-market deal, THAT will be slapping the fans in the face.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 03:45 PM) I feel like Floyd has a lot more value than Thornton. I'm sure he definitely does.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 03:52 PM) Herbert Perry says hello. Fixed.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 03:42 PM) Daniel Murphy and eventually Wilmer Flores, I think. Farm has some high-ceiling pitchers, but Mets pitchers ALWAYS bust, don't they? Mejia, Harvey, and at least one more good one. Phil Humber?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 02:48 PM) WTF do we have to lose, people? With Favre? Dignity and respect. I'd have no problem with McNabb being brought in.

QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 02:08 PM) Yes, really. Tom Riddle really made for quite a compelling Villain in the books. Really one dimensional in the movies though. Ah, never read the books.

Great, the thread's about to go down the drain.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 02:00 PM) 1 and 2.) I want him to pitch for the White Sox desperately, but if we are too cheap (despite outrageous parking and ticket prices in baseball today) to keep him, I want him to stay where he belongs. In Chicago. What's so bad about that? He is a Chicago legend. He's a White Sox legend.

QUOTE (Tex @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 02:00 PM) I saw him play, and with all due regard to Josh Fields, Santo was the best thirdbaseman that played in Chicago in my lifetime. I think it sucked that he wasn't elected during his lifetime. And that hardly qualifies him for the Hall Of Fame, which is something a lot of people in Chicago don't seem to comprehend.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 01:58 PM) Not if the reward pans out. Im not all for this, but it is certainly not pointless Let's be honest with ourselves. The season's over.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 01:57 PM) I get that, but you see it now too dont you? especially with the psychiatrist talking to Deb? it is weird, but it is definitely looking like that is a direction they are considering I know, I know, Steve9347 said it isnt going to happen therefore it is not allowed because he knows. Apparently the head of Showtime said something about the final two episodes setting up the eventual ending to the show in season 8. I hope it's true. And unless the finale has some serious mind-blowing s*** that is also not outrageously ridiculous, I'm probably done with the show.

QUOTE (Tex @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 01:56 PM) That would be so cool if he is in shape. And by cool, I mean he is over the hill, and like 25% of his former greatness, which may just make him the Bear's starter. And it'd sadly also make him a top 5 Bears QB in about the last 25 years.