Milkman delivers

QUOTE (danman31 @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 11:32 PM) That's a good way to drive away an already weary fan base. Wow, it really is.

All I'm reading is a bunch of paragraphs that basically say, "Halladay should have won because his numbers should have been better."

Why not? The only problem is changing the flag, plus having Americans learn another state and capital in grammar school that they won't remember by high school.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 07:16 PM) The whole "Black Sox" connection makes baseball in Vegas very unlikely in our lifetimes. Ditto Pete Rose. Portland Or is wierd, because it's kinda small, but supposedly the interest in baseball in that area is through the roof. I think it's been long enough for people to accept Las Vegas, especially if an event from 1919 is one of the main concerns

Nice.

Until he was 27? That seems tough to believe.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 04:39 PM) This subject comes up in here about once a year. I've never seen Vancouver mentioned though, Seattle is right there. The cities I usually see mentioned are: Las Vegas San Juan, PR Portland, OR Charlotte or other Carolinas city San Antonio / McAllen Albuquerque / Santa Fe Nashville Salt Lake City Mexico somewhere, but that doesn't seem like a great idea right now I'd guess that list is your starting point. And I'd be good with 32 teams as well, when the economy picks up again. You may also see some teams, like maybe Tampa Bay, move to one of those cities eventually as well. Every one of those areas on the list has some good reasons to get a team. I think Las Vegas and Nashville are the two most ideal sites. Nashville is probably the best, as there isn't much baseball near there.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 04:08 PM) Here's the real question though. Put Halladay in a pitchers park. Kershaw took the ERA by less than a 10th of a point, while pitching in a Pitcher's park. He's pitching in Dodgers stadium (and for a team with a worse offense/worse defense to boot), and suddenly Halladay's putting up an ERA 0.2 lower than Kershaw, just from park effects. Does that offset the strikeouts? No. As I said, it's a trump card. It doesn't matter if he was only slightly better in each category, even with park adjustments. In the end, it's a similar argument to the "it'll look like a line drive in the box score" adage. He got the job done, he gets it.

If the Astros don't get markedly better before 2013, imagine how terrible they will be in the AL.

QUOTE (Disco72 @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 02:03 PM) I figure it's for being so giving to other teams by not going overslot in the draft... This was the joke I was going to make. Hey Jerry, thanks for being the only owner in my entire league that abides by my arbitrary, basically punish-less rules. For continuing to hurt your own franchise in order to better maintain our friendship, please accept this meaningless plaque. Yours truly, -Allan Huber (that's seriously my middle name?) "Bud" Selig

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 01:25 PM) That's why we will be underachievers again, but retooling - again. You don't know if someone will take them until you try You have to be at least a middle-aged man. I cannot, for the life of me, understand how you still can't get how this works. You're not a pre-teen playing Xbox. In real life, teams don't take Adam Dunn after batting .159 for an entire season with three years and $42 million remaining on his contract just because you turn off the intelligent trade option. I seriously don't get how you constantly say things as simple (not as in "easy to understand", but rather "moronic") as this.

I can tell you what my excrement level for this team in 2012 is. High.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 09:40 AM) I actually think alot of the trades that are going to happen if they do arent going to make anyone happy, including those who think they want to rebuild. "They" as in the fans or the team?

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 12:38 PM) I hate adding playoff teams. I like it the way it is now (although I wouldn't object to the first round being best of 7). Don't mind Houston to the AL or more interleague games. I agree with all of that.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 01:25 PM) Halladay solidly outdid Kershaw on the advanced stats though, as a function of pitching in a better hitter's park than Kershaw. The fact that the voting is so 1 sided is telling again that the voters didn't look at the advanced stats on this one. Or that the guy won the Triple Crown, so nobody really cares about the advances stats. I love advanced stats and all, but I feel like the Triple Crown is a trump card to pretty much anything.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 01:36 PM) @PWSullivan Paul Sullivan It's official. Sveum in as Cubs manager. So how do you prounonce it?? "Svay-um?" "Svee-um?" "Svem?" Svaim.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 10:16 AM) The show is going in too many directions The Tara self destruction thing is a tad over the top for me. She appears to want to stay while Jax wants to leave. I like the Unser Opie thing. The "war games" is getting old. Overall the show is still good but it is winding down. That's been the way I've felt about the show the whole season, it seems.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 08:34 AM) What I've been wondering is if the Yankees are desperate enough to get their hands on Danks that they'd take Rios with him. Danks + Rios for Gardner straight up is a deal I think I'd do in a heartbeat. And Rios' contract isn't that bad for a team like the Yankees. $12 million a year isn't the worst thing out there, but it's probably the fact that he still has three years left that holds back trading him.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 16, 2011 -> 11:54 AM) Kevin_Goldstein Kevin Goldstein The White Sox have resigned LHP Leyson Septimo, who still throws very very hard and doesn't really do much else. Ha. QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Nov 16, 2011 -> 12:13 PM) He sounds like a Roman Emperor...got that going for him. Ha. QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Nov 16, 2011 -> 02:27 PM) sooo what happens if we rebuild and dunn, rios, and beckham all have bounce back years but we fall short because we traded/let go of buehrle, danks, and or floyd and our pitching is turrable??? Do we blame kenny or since thats what we all want itll be all good??? just a thought If that happens, I'll chalk it up to those three only being able to perform on teams with no expectations. Hell, I already believe that about two of them.

QUOTE (flavum @ Nov 16, 2011 -> 01:10 PM) Haven't hated the Sox this much in many years. Kenny should have been fired. I'll always be interested in the Sox, and look forward to the moves. I'm at about a 2 right now. M-56? Stop. All of this. My excitement raises with each step towards rebuilding.

QUOTE (WHITESOXRANDY @ Nov 16, 2011 -> 01:58 PM) You must mean "when next year flops". Buehrle gone, rotation takes huge hit. Detroit, Cleveland and K.C. will clearly be better than last year and their futures are far brighter than the Sox. Therefore, the Sox ain't winning anything for a long time no matter what they do so the INTELLIGENT thing to do is start a proper and long rebuilding process now. Ofcourse, the Sox will continue to try to fool the fans into thinking that they have a chance to be real good every year without rebuilding because they are petrified of a drop in ticket sales. In other words, they don't have the balls to do what's right. Perfectly said.

I'd really like it to happen and think he deserves it, but I just don't see it.

I know guys that still use the term "Sveum-ing" for getting guys thrown out at home.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 07:48 AM) pgammo Peter Gammons Red Sox owners want managerial "experience." Weaver, LaRussa, Anderson, Leyland, Guillen had managed 0 games when hired. What a laugh How the hell do Ozzie and, to a lesser extent, Leyland get lumped in with those guys? It's insulting to the greatest managers of all time.

QUOTE (MAX @ Nov 16, 2011 -> 11:54 PM) And even more ironic, is that you rushed to judgment by putting any belief in that rumor in that post.