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QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 12, 2011 -> 06:05 AM) Sometimes life just isn't fair, Tex. If this kind of thing was really being allowed to happen for the last 13 years with everyone's knowledge, it's a sacrifice the innocent are going to have to make. It's just that simple. And I'm not being sarcastic.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 12, 2011 -> 11:48 AM) Niagra isn't even the largest by volume in the U.S., and it's no where near the tallest. I didn't say Niagara was the tallest. I said Angel Falls is the tallest, and after looking it up, it is. And upon looking up pictures of Angel Falls, it is nowhere near the width or volume of Niagara. So, I don't even know why you posted anything.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 12, 2011 -> 09:50 AM) Well, f***, I don't suppose anyone as actually looked at the problems in this trade. First, the White Sox HAVE outfielders. They may not be good outfielders, but they have outfielders. If we are still including Quentin, then they have two big upside bats, one expensive contract with high upside, one talented outfielder, and one jack of all trades outfielder. That's 5 MLB outfielders right there. Jacoby Ellsbury, him, yeah, I get it, he's good. He's not going to be 9.4 WAR good every year, but he's a legitimate 3-5 WAR player, every single year, given health. That's why it's a given here and not on the field. Josh Reddick is an outfielder. Why? Ranaudo was a college pitcher who struggled in his final season in college and did not do well in High-A this year, which is a level he should atleast succeed at, considering all of his factors. I won't rule him out, but, simply, no, no value at this point. In the meantime, the Sox give up their biggest trade chip, their second biggest trade chip, and arguably the most valuable player in the entire organization right now. Um, no You say "Ellsbury, Reddick, Ranaudo for Rios, Danks, Quentin, and Sale," and then we can talk. Until then, that is worse than any of the other hypothetical trades posted on here, which is exactly what it was. If Williams authorized that trade, then he would be canned immediately. Unless Theo were still the GM of Boston. In which case, KW would be hired to be on the staff of the Cubs next season.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Nov 12, 2011 -> 11:13 AM) You don't understand the plan. To be fair, nobody does. QUOTE (lord chas @ Nov 12, 2011 -> 11:36 AM) What draft picks would we get if MB walks? He's a Type B free agent.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Nov 12, 2011 -> 10:10 AM) Hello 3rd place again. I truly think that's inevitable. What we're looking at right now is the same thing we do every trade deadline. We think we have a chance when we really don't have much of one at all. We should be focusing on the future, not clinging to a false hope that we're still in this thing. I know we're not in a good position to fully rebuild with the contracts of Dunn and Rios, but we're not in a position to compete either, IMO. We should start taking bids on every single guy that will draw interest besides guys like Sale, De Aza, Viciedo, Morel, etc. Let Dunn and Rios ride out their contracts or trade them if someone is stupid enough to take them, and continue to build up young talent. It's going to take years, but these are years where we won't be competing anyway. Imagine if we had started to rebuild with that horrendous 2007 team. We'd be on our 5th year. It's true that we might not have done a good job of it, but we also might be 5 years into a successful rebuild. We just refuse to accept the truth that we're not going to be serious contenders.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 12, 2011 -> 09:08 AM) As did any number of other things. The guy speaks English all of his life, yet when in court, testifying against the allegations of steroid use (in which one person denied it and later tested positive and another plead the 5th and then later acknowledged use of it) can't understand it? Nevermind the fact that, as I recall, verbally committed to taking a urine test only to back out once said urine test was provided to him in a general interview. Sammy is and was guilty as f***. That's where coming out for some of these players is going to come in handy. I think Andy Pettitte has a better chance at the Hall of Fame, with much, much, much far inferior numbers to that of Roger Clemens, simply because he said "yeah, I tried it, didn't like it, and moved on." Piazza is a pretty poor example (ROY, probably the greatest hitting catcher of all time, did it his entire career even amidst sexual orientation rumors later on), but I get what you're getting at. At that point, it's subjective to the voters, but I think there is a general feel, amongst those who are actually Hall of Fame worthy, who did and who did not use steroids. The better question is to what level you rank amphetamine use. Illegal now, illegal legally always, but still prevalent as hell for a good long while. I don't think Frank says he's innocent, nor do I think any number of current hall of famers. We can draw lines anywhere we want, but the decision comes to them. Piazza gets in. Sosa won't. Thomas will. Thome will. Griffey will. Bonds will take a while. #WINNING Yes. As if some small perk is going to take some general nobody to a monstrosity of a big shot. I don't think steroids work that way, but I might be wrong. Ah, I didn't get why you brought him up at first. And I agree with your assessment of who will get into the Hall.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 12, 2011 -> 08:51 AM) Places for wite to visit in 2012: #1) Fort Wayne #2) Fort Wayne #3) Fort Wayne #4) Fort Wayne #5) Minneapolis (best friend lives there) #6) Fort Wayne #7) Fort Wayne #8) Chicago (I figure early May is the best time to catch a Sox game while they're still in it!) #9) Fort Wayne #10) Fort Wayne #11) Fort Wayne #12) Fort Wayne #13) Fort Wayne #14) Fort Wayne #15) Fort Wayne #16) Fort Wayne #17) Fort Wayne #18) Pierre. SD #19) Fort Wayne #20) Living room sofa (ASG) Maybe I should move to Fort Wayne just so I can fellate the greatest of them all? --- I did know he would go into coaching. He always seemed to have that voice on the field, and I think he would make just as good a manager as Robin Ventura. Hell, he should be on Ventura's staff if for nothing more than comedic relief and teaching players how to NOT hit from both sides of the plate. His personality always reminded me of Ozzie's for some reason. Either way, he was one of my favorite Sox players in the time I've been a fan.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 12, 2011 -> 08:42 AM) Without trying to Filibuster this... That doesn't mean there aren't terrible, terrible places within Venezuela itself. To keep my point brief: no matter the beauty of some of the country, it's not a place high on my list of places to visit. Nor is Egypt, nor is Thailand, and nor is Israel (or the Middle East itself). There are places (speaking entirely generally) within the US that 99% of Americans have not traveled to that will blow your mind too, and there is a niche for every single person. I am absolutely not comparing. I believe Angel Falls is in Venezuela, and that is the largest waterfall in the entire world. If your thing is waterfalls, then Niagara is only going to do so much. I've been to China and have experienced The Great Wall and the Forbidden City and the Terracotta Warriors, and there is nothing to compare to that either. There is absolutely nothing that compares to that. All I am suggesting is that these places are, to be as non-offensive as possible, not friendly places as of this current moment and that they should be on no one's tourist list without some sort of significant aid along the way. /sorry This is pretty much what I was saying. Obviously there are going to be beautifully scenic areas just about everywhere. I described it as a s***hole because there's a pretty damn good chance you can get kidnapped there, and I'm pretty sure that 99% of the people who read my statement knew exactly how I meant it. And the response to this post might be that someone can get kidnapped anywhere, which is of course true. But if you're wealthy in any sense, you're much, much more likely to be kidnapped in a country like Venezuela. Oh, and I think Angels Falls is the tallest waterfall in the world. I'm not sure it compares to the massive area of Niagara.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 12, 2011 -> 06:49 AM) I haven't looked it up, but I'm fairly convinced this trailer voice Guy of late is Mac's dad from Sunny. How would you come to that conclusion? It just seems so random, unless you read an article about it or something. QUOTE (The Baconator @ Nov 12, 2011 -> 10:39 AM) I think I saw that before. It was called Mercury Rising. But whatever, it's Statham so I'm still going to watch it. I like Jason Statham, but I think he's a much better actor than the movies he does. I suppose he knows where the money is at for him, though, and that's what he does. A couple of other guys that I think have a lot more talent than their movies would suggest: Matthew McConaughey Brendan Fraser Nicolas Cage (as long as the role is right)

Haha no, but that quote is right in the article.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 09:58 PM) I think the news that Sandusky was still recruiting for PSU pretty much tells you everything you need to know. Unless he was just taking some crazy, rogue trips on his own, I think the fact that he was recruiting in an official capacity for PSU is the tipping point for me. But the news station breaking the story, as well as the recruit and his father, seemed so oblivious to the importance of this revelation that I am just not sure Sandusky was in an official capacity yet. We'll find out. If he was carrying a letter from McQueary, it's hard not to believe that he was doing it on behalf of the university. The only way it isn't is if he went as far as fabricating the letters. But I can't see how recruitment meetings with nearly full-grown men would lead to an opportunity for him to rape. So, what point would he have for doing it? He had to have been doing it as an official representative of Penn State.

Great news!

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 07:01 PM) Dave Martinez isn't being interviewed by the Cubs, Cardinals or Red Sox. Maybe standing next to Joe Maddon doesn't make you a baseball genius afterall. Standing in your living room for 8 years does, though.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 06:58 PM) Yeah, because if you don't have 12 PSU football games to watch, your life is ruined. Get real. Plenty of lives probably have been ruined because the leaders of the university and the football program chose to look the other way. He's reaching. I wouldn't bother.

Hm, what if Paterno and the higher-ups were already aware of past rapes on campus when McQueary came to them?

QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 05:59 PM) Interesting thought I just heard a caller on Boers and Bernstein suggest is that McQueary could have been a victim of Sandusky himself as a youth. I guess McQueary was a decent football player growing up, and he could have run into Sandusky at a camp, or at his game (like the guy who just de-committed did). I think that would at least explain why he went to his dad and Paterno instead of the police with what he saw happening, and also why he wasn't fired. It's far-fetched, but you would have thought the same about the rest of the story if you didn't already know it was true. That would be a twist good enough to be in an early M. Night Shyamalan movie.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 04:40 PM) I like this post. It's funny that people think they can maintain the status quo and all of a sudden the farm is going to get better. I'm fine with multiple down seasons if the organization addresses the issues that are apparent to almost everyone. Though, I'll wager the organization continues to be in between while denying any problems exist. I'm with Marty on this one. QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 04:52 PM) But it's better to go into every season thinking you have a chance. Doesn't matter how many times you come up short, or in our case, wayyyyyyyyyy short. I'd love to be the Nationals right now. QUOTE (WHITESOXRANDY @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 05:33 PM) A. Ken Williams does not do "complete rebuilds". B. There is very little to rebuild with. The way that this franchise goes about their business is not changing. They are not dedicating resources to sign loads of Latin players, accumulate draft picks, add the best scouts and invest lots of money in young players. They don't do that. Therefore, nothing is changing. KW is still all in for 2012 with as much as he can get Jerry to spend. And, it will be that way until he's gone. And, probably until Jerry is gone. Maybe longer. Don't expect this franchise to be run right. Savor the 2005 season all you can! Watch the videos again and again. Yup.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 05:32 PM) I love how the trailers of movies always have the same intro and voice over guy. Thats got to be the best job in hollywood. It has to be a new guy over the last few years, as the guy who did it forever before that died. Hell, comedian Pablo Francisco could do it easily based on his standup routine.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 05:36 PM) One of the 3 official debt/credit rating companies in the country, along with Standard & Poor's & Fitch. Ah, I thought it was something like taking away Division I status from them. I can't even fathom how much this is going to hurt PSU.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 05:31 PM) So moodys is considering downgrading penn state, and msnbc is asking psu for an official statement on the hs lb claim Who or what is that? I honestly wouldn't care if they shut down the entire athletic department there or bulldozed Happy Valley.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 05:30 PM) I don't blame some of the people for this one. I mean, if you spent 4 years with the guy, actually considered him a friend and mentor, considered him a big help to your career, then you read those allegations, a reasonable reaction is denial. I don't even know anymore. If it weren't for so many people pushing in the opposite direction, I'd be losing my faith in humanity because of these morons.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 05:28 PM) BYU That completely makes sense. If I sat down and thought about, they'd have to be right there at the top of my list.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 05:22 PM) My only feeling is that some how the pimping kids rumor has some merit, and one of those people was either very powerful in PSU, a big time donor, or someone really powerful in the state. Basically Sandusky at that point would threaten to expose the other person. That is the only logical answer, that someone way more powerful than Sandusky was involved. I agree. That's the only scenario that makes sense at this point.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 05:08 PM) Former PSU players donate money to help Jerry Sandusky fund his defense team: http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breaking-n...te_players.html Ugh

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 05:07 PM) Sent to a Michigan Recruit: So, who is that 1 school now?