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QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 05:23 PM) He said he deserved to die for it. I don't think there was much confusion as to what was going on... The point is the police heard Sandusky admit it. They did simply "hear about it." Oh, so here is where you arbitrarily decide that it's simple to read into a situation?

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 05:21 PM) come on man, lame correction. we all know who he is talking about. Well, he may think the guy has incorrect information. Somebody from Penn might say they heard something big is coming soon, even though they don't work at PSU. The person might feel their opinion is worth something because they're "closer" to the situation.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 05:19 PM) Which is significantly different from Sandusky fondling or raping a boy Exactly. Don't get me wrong, it's incredibly creepy, but it's not on the same level. It was in a locker room shower, not a single-person home shower. It's still weird, but it could have been the mistake of a guy that may just be an idiot.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 04:49 PM) I just saw the "Snow White and the Huntsman" trailer. Charlize Theron is still amazingly hot. Thats all I've got Look at the cast for the dwarfs. That might be the greatest ensemble in film ever.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 05:05 PM) right, that's why I was asking if the police were informed of the 2002 incident, because that's much, much worse than the 98 one. QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 05:07 PM) You need to check your facts. You've been arguing without knowing the facts. Sandusky didn't admit anything and apologized for "showering" with the kid in 1998. And putting yourself into the shoes of the police/DA at the time, it's not hard to see why the case would be dropped. At this point, the guy has no previous record of such strange activity. In fact, he's a highly respected member of the community that even has a charity geared towards helping younger boys. The incident sounds like (and you have to exclude everything you know about Sandusky currently) a very awkward mistake from a guy that otherwise never did anything similar before. Add in the fact that he apologized and seemed distraught for having done it, and that might be enough for a lot of investigators.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 04:55 PM) Steve, it is my understanding that the police heard Sandusky tell the mother of a young boy that he did indeed molest him, and was sorry for it. They did not hear "about" it. They heard it come directly out of his mouth. As the Grand Jury report reads, he didn't say he molested him. In retrospect, it clearly was molesting because of all of the other things he's done. But that story was about showering at adjoining shower heads with the boy and, I believe, picking him up at one point while both were naked in the shower. Yes, that sounds incredibly strange and, given the rest of the knowledge we have about Sandusky since then, it was another attempt at rape. But at the time, it could have seemed like a really stupid mistake, albeit incredibly inappropriate and weird.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 04:33 PM) LMAO. I threatened to force him to watch Blade Runner and the Transformer trilogy back to back for 3 nights straight The Transformer movies don't really bother me. Blade Runner is excruciatingly boring, though.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 04:27 PM) I ignore the mouth-breathers with uneducated opinions who don't stfu as their opinion means nothing to me. While this has been an endless argument at Soxtalk, it's also been an enjoyable and interesting debate involving posters who can pull together coherent thoughts and, mostly, look at the situation in an analytic nature. They aren't people posting stupidity and hoping for "likes". In a grim way, it has been interesting and I agree.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 04:27 PM) You asked where the logical flaw in your conclusion was; unfortunately all your premises were inaccurate. This nonsensical technical bulls*** that you and Balta always bring to the table is far more deserving of a smug emoticon than me telling Steve to take a logics class. The point is that this is not a "but for" argument. You cannot say "But for" Joe Paterno's inaction, Sandusky would have been unable to rape children on PSU property. You cannot say "But for" Joe Paterno failing to report this to the police, Sandusky would no longer been able to carry on his predatory activities. That is simply not accurate. There are so many people that were in far greater positions to do something about this than Joe Paterno, and yet didn't, and yet you want to say if Paterno had done more, it would not have happened. That's just incredibly far from believable. Therein lies the crux of the argument. I absolutely think action taken by Paterno could have ended all of the molesting at PSU.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 04:25 PM) Damn those dark Soxtalk ovelords! They tortured me for some time before I acquiesced and took it down.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 04:21 PM) The NCAA season is not over. Sorry, I wanted to keep it up. Is this a bad time for a "that's what she said" joke?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 04:08 PM) Joe Paterno's inaction is a necessary condition for Sandusky to continue diddiling kids for close to a decade. If he acts, if he presses for an investigation (not even "everything in his power!"), Sandusky is stopped. I don't know how you can contest that Paterno did not hold a huge amount of power in State College, and that if he had pressed for an investigation, it'd be done. Pointing out incorrect premises is not the same as pointing out logical flaws, btw. Take a class in logics I f***ing love that smug smiley.

QUOTE (PlaySumFnJurny @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 04:15 PM) I refuse to believe them. The pimping rumors have got to be so much internet wildfire. I can't imagine them being solely the creation of the internet if the writer of the original story about Sandusky has said that he's heard them. I mean, I doubt he'd be so dumb.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 04:11 PM) Your whole proof was incorrect, sorry. You can't make speculative guesses and completely inaccurate statements in your premises, and then expect the conclusion to follow...it sort of destroys the entire point of the proof. "Joe Paterno was the most powerful man on campus and could have anything done that he wanted." I'm sorry, this is just stupid. I know there's no empirical formula to prove that, but you'd simply have to be a fool to disagree that Paterno was the most powerful man on that campus and that, should he have pushed for an investigation, it would have happened.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 04:05 PM) I didn't see it because I didn't want to go through 30 pages of SS2k5, shack, and Balta going at it. Hey, don't sell me short! I was involved.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 03:59 PM) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/10/p...1_lnk2%7C111562 Well, this case just took a turn from Bad to Terrible to Really Terrible to There Is No Word In Any f***ing Language for How Bad This Is. That was mentioned earlier today, Q.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 03:43 PM) I'm sure his death was more along the lines of mob dealings. His car was found in a body of water and his hard drive was destroyed. Are you saying that Joe Paterno, besides being the iron-fisted ruler of Penn State and renowned pedophile, was the boss of an organized crime syndicate?! Wow, shack's joke about him being a Don was right!

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 03:36 PM) Because f*** that, that's why. Unbeliever. You're not even a real fan.

I'll be honest. I'm throwing myself off with a new avatar. I'm re-reading my own posts because I'm immediately assuming it's not me. QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 03:34 PM) It's Pedobear. Ha, I did not know of this thing's existence. I just looked it up. I'm surprised at myself.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 03:25 PM) I feel like we could have pillaged at the trade deadline by selling off our entire BP not named Santos. How could we do that, dude? We were still "in it".

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 03:30 PM) You are welcome. Where did you get the bear from? That's probably the funniest part.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 03:29 PM) Milk, you're a sick bastard, you know that right? What you do to get a rise out people is just gold. Even if that avatar is creepy, disturbing, and wrong. Hey, if everyone is accusing Paterno of being the culprit here, I'm going to drive that nail right in.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 03:26 PM) You must not have read this whole thread, because there has been plenty dragged in here that fits that description. We complained about that stuff as it happened as well.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 03:15 PM) Well, it's my job around here! And thank you, sir

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 03:26 PM) People are going to be confused as f*** if you're posting with out the Hennig avy. I know. s***, it's gotta be over 5 years since it's been changed.