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QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jun 27, 2005 -> 09:22 AM) IMO, Marte will not be here in September. Good, he can bring us a lot in a trade.

With Detroit's offense, I'm scared to have McCarthy start. They could crush that kid's ego in no time.

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Jun 27, 2005 -> 01:03 AM) That's because you conveniently cut off my quote. Both players had elevated pitch counts because they both throw a lot of pitches (Colon already had 114, Zambrano had 108). And as I said, in close games most managers would rather bring in one of their better relievers than put in a starter that has thrown a lot of pitches in that game. As for the struggling thing, I'm not talking about allowing runs, I'm talking about walking a guy on four pitchers or allowing a hard hit single or two before they get yanked. I'm too lazy to check the box scores, and it doesn't really affect the argument anyways. If it's a 1-0, 2-1, or 3-2 type of game, you're not that likely to see a starter come back out. There are some exceptions (especially if the pen sucks, not the case with most of these teams), but you don't see too many 8 or 9 inning starts in the playoffs. Anyways, odds are our pitching will stop teams from getting more than 4 runs, meaning we'll be in the game the whole way and quite possibly in the lead, and that's assuming little to no offense, which isn't always the case. We can argue this forever, but we're probably not going to change each others' minds. I believe that other teams' top guys flat out dominate us. I've made my conclusion from seeing it happen. The only guy I can remember us having any luck with was Harden.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 27, 2005 -> 01:00 AM) I'm in the same boat as you. In my eyes there are no untradeable prospects, McCarthy/Anderson/Sweeney/Tracey/Baj/Valido/Young, I don't give a s*** who they are or how well they play in the minors. If trading them can net us a stud player for the bullpen/rotation/lineup, go for it and bring them in. Seeing Reed and Morse in Seattle doesn't bother me one bit because all I have to do is take a look at the Sox rotation and see that stud in the 2nd spot hell just watch Friday's game and then tell me you miss Reed, Morse or Olivo. I agree with you on all of that. Another thing is that I have this fear that this guy will be just like Borchard. Borchard tore up the minors and he was a sure-thing starter of the future. I cringe to think what we could have gotten for him if he just had the balls to trade him.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 27, 2005 -> 12:50 AM) If it was said in this thread then it wasn't Jason it was Jim. They are both extremely reliable sources. This was the quote from this thread: That was all he said. I trust him as a reliable source however I just don't see the Sox getting Lilly but I wouldn't put anything past KW. With the way El Duque's been since going on the DL and with Contreras gradually coming back down to earth, I would absolutely love for Kenny to get a stud pitcher. I couldn't care less about McCarthy. I've seen too many sure prospects turn to garbage to give a rat's ass about him. I'm not saying he won't be good, but he sure as hell is no sure thing. I'd trade him along with every other prospect we have for a proven talent.

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Jun 27, 2005 -> 12:44 AM) Actually in the playoffs it seems like they are more likely to come out if they are starting to struggle That's the problem right there. Neither one of those examples you mentioned were struggling in their respective games.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 27, 2005 -> 12:40 AM) Since when do you listen to what people around here say and take it seriously. Lilly is an option but there is absolutely no gaurentee KW will get him, in fact I'd bet against it. It was Chisoxfn, if I remember correctly. And that guy seems to know what he's talking about. Therefore, I believe what he says.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jun 27, 2005 -> 12:29 AM) When has Kenny ever been afraid to make a big deal? From what most people around here are saying, it's almost a done deal that we're getting Lilly.

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Jun 27, 2005 -> 12:29 AM) That's part of the game, isn't it? Their starts were nullified by equal or superior performances from our own guys. We scored enough runs to keep us in it and won. That's the whole point of the game. Come playoff time, I would think a manager would leave a starter in longer than he would in the regular season. During the season, one would have to worry about burning out a guy's arm. In the playoffs, it's the time to throw everything at the other team. Buehrle had to throw 9 almost perfect innings just to keep the team in it. Colon got to leave in the 7th, and their bullpen held us down for about 3 more innings. I imagine Colon would've stuck around in the playoffs and gave it to the bullpen later if need be. And Zambrano was just fresh off the DL and having his pitch count monitored. If not for that, he'd probably stay in and continue dominating.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 27, 2005 -> 12:16 AM) Or Mondo-Prospect Package: 1. McCarthy 2. Jenks/Baj 3. Sweeney Eh, what's the point of even thinking/hoping/wishing/praying for a starter like Burnett, Oswalt, or Schmidt. If we get anyone, it'll be Lilly or some marginal pitcher. We have the pieces to get just about anyone we want, oh well. Lilly will do.

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Jun 27, 2005 -> 12:17 AM) You aren't going to "rock" aces too often. If you can get 3 runs off of the top pitchers in a start, you're doing alright. We've done that. As for pitching duels, I know we won in well pitched games against Colon (think it was Buehrle) and Zambrano (Contreras) at a bare minimum. I'm really too lazy to look through box scores right now. We didn't beat either of those pitchers, though. They both s*** on our offense, and we beat their bullpens.

QUOTE(Southside hitmen @ Jun 27, 2005 -> 12:03 AM) The Florida Marlins are considering trading right-hander A.J. Burnett, a blockbuster move that would alter the pennant races in both leagues, The Sporting News has learned. The Marlins are engaged in preliminary discussions about Burnett with the Orioles and a second, unidentified American League club. Their goal in trading Burnett, who will be a free agent at the end of the season, would be to obtain three major-league parts — a young starting pitcher, quality reliever and left-handed hitting outfielder. Wait, does that mean players that are already in the majors or guys that are just about there? Kind of like McCarthy, Bajenaru/Jenks, and Anderson or Sweeney (whichever one is lefty, I forget).....

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Jun 26, 2005 -> 11:52 PM) Can we lay off the "oh s***, we can't hit good pitchers" stuff? We've put up runs against guys this season and won some pitching duels I don't know about all of that. The only ace I can remember us beating up on was Rich Harden, and I think we lost that game because Buehrle imploded. It seems like our pitching duels came against guys that you don't expect to have a pitching duel with, such as Byun-Hyung Kim, Elmer Dessens, whatever that rookies' name on the Padres name was, etc.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jun 26, 2005 -> 09:04 PM) Was out of town this weekend, but caught most of the game today. Prior was just flat on today, no if,ands, or buts about it. However, that 7th inning, after the 5 pitch walk, that was the worst display I have seen by the Sox at the plate all season. We should have opened the flood gates against Williams, but insted calmed him down with 2 pitches. Shape up and lets win the series in Detriot boys. I don't know about that excuse. Prior had maybe two pitches today, our guys just s*** their pants. Oh well, I guess it happens. I hope they just get their heads together and can finally win out on the coast and in Detroit.

QUOTE(chi-guy2 @ Jun 26, 2005 -> 02:02 PM) reitsma has looked like crap lately, kolb will be back in the role No, he won't. Do you realize how awful Kolb is as a closer? They'll put someone else in the closer role before they give Kolb another shot.

It seems like every year one of these two teams comes into the series doing well, and the other isn't. Then, the bad team wins the series and the good team goes on a skid. Sometimes I wish I could tell the players to their face that they sucked. That would make me feel much better than complaining on a message board. Of course, I'd be terrified to tell them that.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jun 26, 2005 -> 04:22 PM) Can someone please tell me what happened in the 9th? We sucked. Timo led off with a walk, then Pods struck on on 3 straight pitches, I think. Then, Carl GIDP.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 26, 2005 -> 04:21 PM) You wanna re-think that? I meant for Pods.

Everett should be PHing.

QUOTE(GASHWOUND @ Jun 26, 2005 -> 04:13 PM) Now that's pathetic..ashamed of the team? :headshake Yeah, I knew that was coming. I am definitely ashamed of them today. They did everything wrong.

I hate when this s*** happens. Now I can't even watch Sportscenter or BBTN because I can't stand to see this s*** again. This is the first time in a while where I've been completely ashamed of this team. This game was a disgrace, an absolute disgrace.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 26, 2005 -> 04:04 PM) BS call What would you call against the team that has been getting their dicks handed to them on a platter the whole game?

Game

QUOTE(sin city sox fan @ Jun 26, 2005 -> 04:00 PM) We need some new karma this game.....a mod needs to start a new gameday thread! Someone at least bust out the MOJO, please. HBP!

This just in: Damaso Marte sucks.