DukeNukeEm

quality over quantity.

exactly.

^^^ Probably our best player over the past 4 years.

Progress as in move towards a goal? Hey man, you might not agree with what every party wants but you'd be hard pressed to find one that isn't progressive.

People dont even know what the word liberal means.

It was pretty clear what you meant when you said "neocons and liberals", conveniently leaving one group out or at least breaking the conservative constituency into two parts. You should be proud of your ability to gload somebody into an interweb rage with your stuff. This is kind of related, but neocons have joined the mainstream media as the most tired political cliches. I mean really, liberalism has changed since 30 years ago but I never see the word neoliberalism compared to often I'm subjected to a new rant on neocons. Conservatives saw how disastrous the George Bush presidency has been and there's been this movement to distance themselves from it by blaming it on neocons. Traditional conservative ideologies have gone extinct for a reason, and the only way they've been able to gather votes is behind social issues or a Ronald Reagan type leader with incredible communication skills.

This would make sense if anarchy wasn't the most historically precedented method of governing in human history. Remember that anarchy is, by nature, a conservative idea. Oh just go f*** yourself, where have I said I'm an anarchist? All I've been saying here is that your black and white view of what holds water academically is remarkably full of crap. This stems from your hilarious notion that every group other than traditional conservatives is anti-intellectual.

You just said anarchy has no intellectual basis...

This isn't true. The most radical right-wing ideal is anarchy, and our international system has been governed by it since the dawn of nations.

Hardy is also pretty good defensively (he isn't Escobar, but still good) and he's been improving dramatically over the past 2 seasons. His OPS has gone up every season over the past 3 years and even if he's hit his ceiling that would still make him a top 10 SS in baseball. You dont kick a cheap, young top 10 player at his position out of town for any prospect unless it's Ken Griffey Jr. or ARod. The chances of J.J. Hardy regressing into a .250/.300/.400 type player are pretty slim and it would definitely be a much larger risk to give Escobar the SS position than Hardy. The Brewers have only 3 offensive starters who are below league average in OPS, I'm sure they'd like to keep it that way. Also, the guys the White Sox are shopping are getting thrown out there for a reason. Other than Buehrle, and we only shopped Mark when he had a couple months left on his contract, nobody we are looking at trading now has anywhere near the value of a J.J. Hardy. I've heard nothing about us trading away AJ Pierzynski.

Do you believe what you write sometimes? That's an honest question.

Yea but Escobar isn't something they need, and I surely wouldn't value him over J.J. Hardy if I were the Brewers. Hardy leads all MLB SS except Hanley Ramirez in HR's the past two seasons, but the Brewers should value Alcides Escobar over him? This is insane. The Brewers aren't trying to rebuild either, they might have the best lineup in the NL and Sheets-Gallardo-Parra is a pretty good top of the rotation.

He meant Oakland, Furcal rejected Oaklands offer though.

This means Furcal. I like it.

The Brewers wont trade Gallardo or Parra, you should just forget about those two. They're going to lose Sabathia and even if Sheets accepts arbitration they're still left with a huge dropoff after the #3 in their rotation. A great move would be Bobby Jenks for Alcides Escobar and Cole Gillespie. I know we have a lot of middle infield prospects in Beckham, Lillibridge, Getz and Nix but none of those guys are Escobar; hes on a totally different level as a prospect than everyone in our system except maybe Beckham. I really like Cole Gillespie, college ballplayer who's matured as a hitter... really gets on base and can steal a few bases. I'd love for the Sox to get him.

That was a slick move.

bahahhahaha

This isn't threadworthy... but what does everyone think of Cantu? edit- that tidbit is in the link

At first it was funny, but I'm really starting to get sick of/frightened by the war on intellectualism in America.

Bobby Jenks, Gavin Floyd, Tyler Flowers and Josh Fields to the Yankees for Alex Rodriguez Jermaine Dye and Orlando Cabrera to the Dodgers for Matt Kemp Gotta be clearing that money up for something, and as mentioned before Kenny always gets his guys. Just for kicks, lets imagine this: CF- Matt Kemp SS- Alexei Ramirez LF- Carlos Quentin 3B- Alex Rodriguez DH- Jim Thome 1B- Paul Konerko C- AJ Pierzynski RF- Dayan Viciedo 2B- Brent Lillibridge/Chris Getz/Gordon Beckham The rotation and bullpen would hurt a little bit, but we'd score a lot of runs.

the whining about somebody who proved proved to be at least half right.

This is a pretty funny thread.

These Obama/White Sox things keep getting worse and worse.

Is there anybody else who doesnt want Jake Peavy? Like at all?

Best Albums of 2008 1. Titus Andronicus - The Airing of Grievances 2. The Hold Steady - Stay Positive 3. Portishead - Third 4. Arms - Kids Aflame 5. M83 - Saturdays = Youth 6. Fleet Foxes - Fleet Foxes 7. Sigur Ros - Með suð í eyrum við spilum endalaust 8. Bonnie "Prince" Billy - Lie Down in the Light 9. Kanye West - 808's & Heartbreak 10. Wale - The Mixtape About Nothing 11. Times New Viking - Rip It Off 12. Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds- Dig, Lazarus, Dig 13. Los Campesinos! - Hold On Now, Youngster... 14. The Helio Sequence - Keep Your Eyes Ahead 15. f***ed Up - The Chemistry of Common Life 16. Miles Benjamin Anthony Robinson - Miles Benjamin Anthony Robinson 17. Beck - Modern Guilt 18. Black Mountain - In the Future 19. The Whigs - Mission Control 20. Elbow - The Seldom Seen Kid Updated lists from past years: 2007: 1. LCD Soundsystem - Sound of Silver 2. Dan Deacon - Spiderman of the Rings 3. Radiohead - In Rainbows 4. Panda Bear - Person Pitch 5. No Age - Weirdo Rippers 6. Arcade Fire - Neon Bible 7. Stars Like Fleas - The Ken Burns Effect 8. Bon Iver - For Emma, Forever Ago 9. Seabear - The Ghost That Carried Us Away 10. Life Without Buildings - Live at the Annandale Hotel 11. Feist - The Reminder 12. Handsome Furs - Plague Park 13. The Klaxons - Myths of the Near Future 14. The Dirty Projectors - Rise Above 15. Voxtrot - Voxtrot 16. King Khan & the Shrines - What Is?! 17. Emily Haines - Knives Dont Have Your Back 18. Caribou - Andorra 19. The World Inferno Friendship Society - Addicted to Bad Ideas 20. Spoon - Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga 2006 1. The Thermals - The Body, The Blood, The Machine 2. The Hold Steady - Boys and Girls in America 3. Destroyer - Destroyer's Rubies 4. The Wrens - The Meadowlands 5. Yo La Tengo - I Am Not Afraid Of You And I Will Beat Your Ass 6. Band of Horses - Everything All The Time 7. Belle & Sebastian - The Life Pursuit 8. Feist - Open Season 9. Voxtrot - Mothers, Sisters, Daughters & Wives / Raised by Wolves 10. Josh Ritter - The Animal Years 11. Clark - Body Riddle 12. Thom Yorke - The Eraser 13. Battles - EP B / C EP 14. Beirut - Gulag Orkstar 15. Bob Dylan - Modern Times 16. Koop- Koop Island 17. Surburban Kids With Biblical Names - #3 18. Bonnie "Prince" Billy - The Letting Go 19. Arctic Monkeys - Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not 20. Tom Waits - Orphans: Brawlers, Brawlers & Bastards 2005 1. The Hold Steady - Separation Sunday 2. LCD Soundsystem - LCD Soundsystem 3. Bloc Party - Silent Alarm 4. Wilco - Kicking Television: Live in Chicago 5. Sufjan Stevens - Come On! Feel the Illinoise! 6. Broken Social Scene - Broken Social Scene 7. M83 - Before the Dawn Heals Us 8. Silver Jews - Tanglewood Numbers 9. Sleater-Kinney - The Woods 10. The National - Alligator 11. Belle & Sebastian - Push Barman to Open Old Wounds 12. Jamie Lidell - Multiply 13. The Mountain Goats - The Sunset Tree 14. Bonne "Prince" Billy and Matt Sweeney - Superwolf 15. Art Brut - Bang Bang Rock & Roll 16. Spoon - Gimme Fiction 17. The Boy Least Likely To - The Best Party Ever 18. Broadcast - Tender Buttons 19. Belle & Sebastian - If You're Feeling Sinister: Live at the Barbican 20. Sigur Ros - takk 2004 1. Arcade Fire - Funeral 2. The Hold Steady - The Hold Steady Almost Killed Me 3. Brian Wilson - SMiLE 4. The Streets - A Grand Dont Come For Free 5. Feist - Let It Die 6. Kanye West - College Dropout 7. Franz Ferdinand - Franz Ferdinand 8. Morrissey - You Are The Quarry 9. The Walkmen - Bows + Arrows 10. Panda Bear - Young Prayer 11. PJ Harvey - Uh Huh Her 12. Wilco - A Ghost Is Born 13. The Futureheads - The Futureheads 14. Cee-Lo Green - Cee-Lo Green is the Soul Machine 15. Nick Cave - Abbatoir Blues / The Lyre of Orpheus 16. David Byrne - Grown Backwards 17. VHS or BETA - Night On Fire 18. Animal Collective - Sung Tongs 19. Ted Leo & the Pharmacists - Shake the Streets 20. Bonnie "Prince" Billy - Sings Greatest Palace Music I like making lists. They're fun.