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You can't trade Avi unless you are getting a s***load of a haul. It's tough to get future HOFers and you don't give them away. Be smart Rick. He's an integral part of our 2019 World Series championship team.

QUOTE (Tony @ Nov 5, 2017 -> 05:26 PM) You contradict yourself in the same post. In my eyes, there is no reason to extend Avi right now. We have 1400 AB's that tell us one thing, and 500 that tell us another thing. I'd want about 400 more to give me a better idea of who Avi Garcia is. If the Sox can "easily afford him" now, they should still be able to afford him in August of 2018 when he still has another year left of control and is hopefully sporting a .900 OPS. He's probably a $15 million / year guy now and is price tag will likely go up to about $22 million / year if we wait until the next offseason to sign him. Why bet on him to fail? I've seen enough to be convinced he's a future HOFer and we need to lock him up now for the next 6-8 seasons.

Just give him an Italian beef sandwich and a deep dish pizza. He'll be as good as signed once he tastes Chicago food.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Oct 1, 2017 -> 11:57 AM) Barring a pinch hit appearance, Garcia's final numbers are: 136 games, 561 PAs, 518 ABs, 75 R, 171 H, 27 2B, 5 3B, 18 HR, 80 RBI, 5 SB, 33 BB, 111 SO, .330/.380/.506/.886, 137 OPS+, 9 HBP, 1 ASG, and the potential of a silver slugger award (Trout/Judge are very likely, and the other is probably between Avi/Springer/Davis). He should finish top 10 in MVP voting as well.

Any update on Avi? I hope its nothing serious that affects our chances of winning the 2019 World Series

I've been saying all season that Avi will be a perennial all star the rest of his career and a future HOF inductee (maybe first ballot). If our rebuild is to be successful, we must sign him to a long term contract (unfortunately, the organization has probably cost itself 50-75 million by waiting til this point)

Jason Heywards best BA ever was .293 while Avi is currently batting .325. Jason's best SLG in his career is .479 while Avi's current SLG is .495. Jason's highest OPS ever is .849 while Avi currently has an OPS of .868. And Jason's career best in these 3 categories were in 3 different seasons while Avi is doing it all in one year. I'm not sure how anyone can claim that Heyward has ever had a better season than Avi is having in 2017. Really, I don't understand this hatred for the guy among our fanbase. We should be happy that we have one of the best young players in the game wearing our uniform and yet many want to get rid of him. SMH

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Sep 4, 2017 -> 12:32 PM) WTF? That's crazy. He's having his first decent season and still has shortcomings. On one hand, he has a .368 wOBA and a wRC+ of 132. Solid season. He does have a crazy high .392 BABIP though. He's not a defender and only has 14 homers while being relegated to an OF corner. He's just always a guy that contending teams will be looking to replace in my opinion. Some of you need to accept the current value of MLB players today. The Cubs signed Jason Heyward to a 8 year / $184 million dollar contract just 2 years ago (and he supposedly turned down 2 offers of over $200 million). His lifetime stats are a .262 BA / .412 SLG / .756 OPS. Avi has career stats of .273 BA / .410 SLG / .734 OPS. Avi is a younger player than Jason was at the time and is having a far better season than Heyward has ever had in his career. The numbers I quoted would still be a good deal for the organization. We would have been wiser to sign him long term earlier in the season for less money (as I advocated), but if we don't sign him this offseason, it will take even more a commitment to keep him on the southside for the bulk of his HOF career.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 3, 2017 -> 11:50 PM) You don't think he's worthy of that?? That's peanuts today. That's Melky money. Are you saying 5/75 is way too much? You would go for 5/50? 5/60? He's not worth 10-15 mill a year in today's economy? Is that based only on the advanced stats? These figures are all low....I don't see anyway he's signing for less than $20 million per year. Perhaps start with an offer of 6 years / $108 million with the intention of settling somewhere in the neighborhood of 7 years / $154 million. And you don't trade him.....I'd hate to see him enter the HOF wearing any other cap than the White Sox.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 4, 2017 -> 09:05 PM) I was thinking straight up for Meadows in Pittsburgh myself That would have been a better move than keeping him

I hate Bummer

I like this Bummer kid

Regardless of what happens in this game, I still wish we would have traded Clippard for a couple more top 100 prospects

Does he rank in our top 30 prospects now?

I understand why he's not ranked high on many lists, but I think that we'll look back 7-8 years from now and Dunning will be the biggest pickup from any of these deals.

Now if Engel had bunted, we could have the start of another 9th inning rally

Engel should lay down a bunt damnit! These guys are so stupid!

QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Jul 9, 2017 -> 04:05 PM) Because that would be s***ty The hitting by the Sox has been s***ty thus far. Gotta try something different.

Why are none of our guys trying to bunt for a basehit????

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 24, 2017 -> 12:37 PM) Obviously you have something against Avi with your troll statements about what he's worth, etc. So what guys on the team do you like? You've been here since 2005 so you must be a Sox fan. I don't hate Avi at all. As a matter of fact, I want him to be of the White Sox future when we win our next World Series. However, you can't offer someone who wins the league batting title and finishes in the top 3 of MVP vote getting only $6 million dollars per year. That's insulting and would guarantee his exit from the South Side.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jun 23, 2017 -> 08:55 PM) If he goes to arbitration next year, what is he likely to get? $6-7 mm? Double that and you might be close.

QUOTE (Wanne @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 08:08 PM) Offer him 5/$50...seems fairly safe for both sides IMO. I know he's having an ungodly year...but he really does look like a different player. I would probably go 5/$60M if it got right down to it. I really don't want to trade him for some sketchy unknowns you HOPE turn out worth a crap. Theres no way 5/50 or 5/60 gets it done now. It may have 2 months ago, but now you are likely looking at 8/140 to get it done. Wait til the end of the year and its lkely 8/200. The front office has foolishly continued to ignore the rapid growth in Avi's value.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 01:22 PM) They just won a World Series, and they're set to be the favorites in their division for the foreseeable future. I think that's literally everything you can ask for your team to give you. If the Cardinals are able to steal Avi Garcia from us, the Cubs will not win another division title for a very long time.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jun 18, 2017 -> 05:37 PM) 8/120?! No way he accepts anything below 12/360. Let's be serious. The market will not give him Bryce Harper type dollars yet (this may change in a year or two if he's not locked up long term) I really think an offer of 8/120 is about FMV at this point and I think he may take it for long term stability. Avi is a future HOFer and I'd hate to see him enter Cooperstown representing another team besides the White Sox.

It may be too late as his value has gone through the roof, but I'd offer him an 8 year $120 million extension. If he takes it, he's the centerpiece of our rebuild. If he doesn't, trade him if you can get a package as good (or better) as we got for Sale.