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QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jul 3, 2008 -> 07:34 PM) Uribe is gonna have a good game, this is the type of pitcher he can hit. No way. This is the type of pitcher where Uribe ends his swing on his knees.

How hard does he usually throw?

Wow, can't ask for a better start than this.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 2, 2008 -> 02:59 AM) except for the $2-3 million you'd have to throw at him WOW! What a risk there. Uribe's getting paid twice as much just to get fat on the bench.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 1, 2008 -> 11:03 PM) If we can get a solid to good pitcher, obviously go ahead, but our pitching is good enough that we don't need to take fliers on high risk guys. No thanks. I don't think Garcia would qualify as a high risk guy. To get him, a team has to sign him for a couple of months of the season without giving up any talent or draft picks (that I know of). It's the ultimate no risk.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 1, 2008 -> 09:42 PM) except you haven't been stating that, you've been saying you'd rather have Freddy Garcia starting than Javier Vazquez. You even said that in the post I quoted - Oh, and I'd take Freddy's 4.09 career ERA over Vazquez's Montreal-NL-inflated career 4.29 ERA any day of the week. That doesn't look like you just saying Freddy's had a better career than Vazquez. Well, the original poster was comparing the two pitchers in their careers, or at least I thought he was. Him pointing out that Garcia's 4.09 ERA wasn't a massive upgrade over Vazquez's 4.29 ERA. I took that to mean that Garcia wasn't all that much better than Vazquez during their career. I disagree with that. Garcia was much better. I said I would take a healthy Garcia (i.e. Garcia of 2004 - 2005) over Vazquez and then added that it was doubtful Garcia was healthy now.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 1, 2008 -> 06:04 PM) Javy has generally been on non contenders. Teams that play against half a line-up of AAA call ups in September. 2004 is the only time he was on a playoff team and his September ERA was over 6.00. In no way do I think Garcia is better now than Vazquez, but Freddy has put up big numbers when it mattered. If he happened to be 100% healthy, there is no way Garcia isn't better than Vazquez. Freddy just will never be that way again IMO, but I'm sure the White Sox are keeping close tabs and I think unless someone offers him good money, he will eventually sign with the Sox. I think that's the perfect summary of my thoughts as well.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 1, 2008 -> 05:51 PM) Yeah I highly doubt Freddy's a 4.09 pitcher anymore. Maybe 5.09. You go right ahead and take Freddy. Christ... I am not disputing that, merely stating Freddy's had a better career than Vazquez.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jul 1, 2008 -> 02:10 PM) Yes, Freddy's 4.09 career ERA BEFORE he was hurt is clearly a massive upgrade over Vasquez. Both guys have been talented starters that can be wildly inconsistent. The difference is one clearly still has the stuff that makes him elite at times while the other doesn't. If Freddy had anything CLOSE to his old stuff he'd be signed already for a fair amount of money. Ya think? Not like the guy's holding a public workout so teams can, you know, see if he has his old stuff... But whatever... Any team signing Garcia is doing so for September/October and there's certainly going to be a waiting period before Freddy's ready to pitch (if he'll be ready at all). Still, there's nothing prohibiting the Sox from looking. No one said an injured Freddy was a "massive" upgrade over Vazquez and no one doubts Vazquez currently has superior stuff. And for the 80th billionth time, I mentioned being skeptical of Garcia's health from the start. However, Vazquez in the playoffs is going to be a disaster, imo. Vazquez in September is probably going to be a disaster as well. BTW, isn't this "no way he's healthy" stuff the same thing I heard about Colon when teams were going to work him out. Granted, he's injured again, but it had nothing to do with his arm, just his girth. It's pretty stupid to dismiss signing Garcia before even seeing him pitch or reading any reports of his workout. Oh, and I'd take Freddy's 4.09 career ERA over Vazquez's Montreal-NL-inflated career 4.29 ERA any day of the week.

QUOTE (DBAH0 @ Jul 1, 2008 -> 02:33 PM) Vazquez has 1 bad month, and people are ready to throw him off the bus. More along the lines of: "Vazquez has 1 good year, and people are ready to annoint him an ace." GMAB with this stuff. Career 4.29 ERA, working on his 4th below average season in the last 5 years, and you're trying to tell me it's 1 bad month? Please. What you see is what you get. People should realize last year was the exception, not the norm. It just goes to show that guys with good stuff will always get the benefit of the doubt. Buehrle's pretty much had 1 bad season in his career. Bad comparison.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 1, 2008 -> 01:11 PM) The one issue is that if you are Freddy would you rather go to a team like the Yanks/Tigers/Red Sox who could possibly guarantee or semi-guarantee you a spot in the rotation or the Sox. There is the comfort he'd have in Chicago and they can obviously sign him to a deal which includes an option for next year (where they essentially say if he does well they'll consider clearing a spot in the rotation for him) but I'm also guessing Freddy wants to pitch. I expect Contreras moved this off-season and I dont' think the Sox are going to be replacing him with an in-house candidate, so it could end up being another young guy they trade for, Freddy Garcia, a random FA signing, or Jon Garland (who I think they'll consider resigning depending on what they do). To me, everything depends on his health. If he can throw low 90s again there's no way he wouldn't win a spot in our rotation. 2004-2005 Garcia is as good or better than anyone on this current staff, especially when you factor in postseason performance. It's highly doubtful he's completely healthy, though. Anyone know what kind of shoulder surgery he had?

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Jul 1, 2008 -> 01:09 PM) Oh it was extremely hard with my sanity being questioned. The Sox should definitely consider starting someone who shouldnt even pitch this year over someone who would have gotten us to the playoffs. I totally agree with that. They should also take a flyer out on Prior, and put him in over Danks

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 1, 2008 -> 12:02 PM) I recently read in one of the papers ( Sunday Trib I think) that the Sox weren't interested. I think they used the term "for now," meaning they still might consider it. Perhaps if he works out well?

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Jul 1, 2008 -> 12:00 PM) Right back at you. A healthy-ish Garcia? I think not You read the caveats I put into my message, right? Or was that hard for you?

This is from the Detroit Free Press: Obviously there's a huge question mark regarding Garcia's health. But I at least hope we attend this workout. I am worried about Floyd and Danks in September. I mean Floyd's already gone well over his career high in ML innings and we're only in July. In addittion, I would have to question your sanity if you would rather have Vazquez start a playoff game for you than a healthy(ish) Garcia. I do have my doubts about his health so I'm not going to get excited untill I hear he can consistently throw 91-93 at this workout.

2nd granny for Swish in 4 days!

3-0 payoff according to Hawk.

f*** yeah!!! Close and late baby!

I don't know if it's because we're playing the Cubs, but this is the most nervous I've been all year.

Left some big runs in scoring position today. Plus gave them a gift run. Not usually a recipe for success but maybe it'll work out for us today...

Baseball execution is sexi.

Great pitching by Buehrle there.

Fields can do what Crede does (HRs and errors) for a lot cheaper next year.

Wow, worked him over on 3 pitches.

41-15 when hitting a HR.