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QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Jul 22, 2006 -> 09:43 PM) Nomo still had more than one good year. He may have been at his best in his first year, but he was also solid in his second year as well. He also had two other good years much later. The only problem is that he had 5 mediocre to poor years sandwiched in between. He also struck out a lot more guys than Willis. So far Willis has about half a good year as a rookie, a poor season in his second, a great year in his third year, and has been mediocre so far this year. That's far from enough evidence to conclude that he's an ace for the next 10 years. Nomo was a different case than Willis. His numbers got progressively worse with each successive year. That would support the theory of batters getting familiar with his delivery. I'm not sure how to explain away the 2 good season he had upon his return to the NL west. Again though, Willis having his best season in year 3 would seem to dispute the notion that he's a gimmick pitcher, which is the only reason given as to why he's not as good as his numbers. Or is there some other reasoning I'm not familiar with?

One other point about Vazquez: if the Nats don't want him, they could always flip him to a contender for a prospect, which is something KW seems unwilling to do (i.e. trade Vazquez for just a prospect). Anyway, my point is, he should be considered a trade asset. I wouldn't be at all surprised if there's some 3 team deals involving the Sox either.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jul 22, 2006 -> 09:35 PM) At least Freddy pitched well today. There's something good. And Thornton, too. I'd be more excited if I knew he turned the corner. He still threw in the 80s so it's probably a fluke outing from him.

I'm not upset about our offense as much as you guys. I saw this coming from a mile away. We were playing over our heads offensively in the first half, it's only natural they would slump at some point to even things out. The shame is our pitching has sucked and we gave away a number of games where we did score 4 or 5 runs (against Boston & New York). If this spotty hitting keeps up, we have NO CHANCE with Vazquez and Garcia in the rotation. I think we'll hit better but not close to how we hit in the 1st half.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 22, 2006 -> 09:26 PM) Atleast Garcia went a loooong way to up his trade value tonight. Yup, he sure did. I hope we're at least not tricked by his flukey outing.

QUOTE(letsgoarow @ Jul 22, 2006 -> 09:25 PM) i wouldnt mind waking up tomm with soriano and flash gordon on our team And Garcia or Vazquez off our team.

2-9 against the AL's best. World Series here we come! I'd sure like to rewind that "I enjoy playing the good teams" spiel DJ was doing right before we entered this stretch. We're finding out this team doesn't measure up.

Hopefully this shot up Freddy's trade value. Maybe we can trade him before his next start.

Holy mother of christ, I can breathe again.

I seriously wouldn't mind if there was a rain delay now. Freddy looked good, but I think there's more potential for him to get shelled 3rd time around than it is to actually retire these guys without a problem. We should send this game tape to the Mets.

Whew! Let's get some runs plz.

I hate walks. Kinsler is pretty dangerous.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 22, 2006 -> 07:22 PM) Linebrink for Fields would make me puke. It's totally unnecessary unless accompanied by another move to get McCarthy into the rotation.

How the fish does DeRosa score on a ground ball double?

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 22, 2006 -> 07:15 PM) Coming back to earth...AJ was a career .300 plus hitter in Minnesota while Paulie has had seasons right around .300. I don't see where they are coming back to earth, more like a slump. Konerko was up to .324 and around .990 OPS. He's not that good. AJ's BA has been going down every month. Both are around .300 hitters, but not as good as they've shown all year.

Was that pathetic.

AJ and Konerko are so coming back to earth right now.

Man, it's really so sad to watch Freddy now without his stuff. I thought he was by far our best clutch pitcher last season.

Freddy's been impressive first time through the lineup, but we'll see if he fools anybody on the 2nd and 3rd tries.

QUOTE(RoyHobbs @ Jul 22, 2006 -> 06:43 PM) Hey guys first post.....I agree with ya man, any club would love to have him and we need the bullpen help. look forward to talkin with all of ya. Welcome!

1.1 IP - 47 pitches for Koronka.

We should pull Freddy on a high note. His trade value just shot up.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 22, 2006 -> 05:09 PM) Yes, but why be on the hook for Vazquez's contract for the next few years? Instead, they could find a lot better ways to spend that money. It's actually one year and he would instantly be their best starter. A $12M commitment to Vazquez would probably interest the Nats more than going out and giving pitchers long term contracts in next year's free agency. They should have some money to spend as well with Soriano, Brian Lawrence, Jose Guillen, and Ramon Ortiz all coming off the books (if they dump Livan, they could trim about $30 M). I don't have any illusions about Vazquez being the Nats #1 target. It would probably be Fields + Broadway/Lumsden, but if coupled with those players, Vazquez could swing the deal in our favor especially if Detroit is offering only prospects. I'm not a Vazquez fan at all, but I don't think we're at a point where he has negative trade value.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 22, 2006 -> 05:02 PM) They're looking to unload payroll, not bring in an overpriced starting pitcher. Are they looking to unload payroll or get as much as they can for guys who will be free agents and have no plans to re-sign? There's a difference there.

I wonder if the Nationals would have any interest in bringing back Vazquez to their org? We probably can't compete with the Tigers' package of prospects and Vazquez makes as much sense as anybody from the major league club.