BigSqwert

An armed maniac with machine guns has the element of surprise. The gunman will now know that each school has one guard and likely do enough intel to find out who it is so they can find and kill that guard first.

You know those scary videos of foreigners in third world countries where men are all over the streets carrying machine guns and shooting them in the air sporadically? Apparently that's what the NRA wants the US to become.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 08:51 AM) Do you really feel that it's worse for innocent people to be killed by guns than it is more a greater number of people to be killed by drunk drivers? In my view an innocent being killed is an innocent person being killed. I really don't care about how it happened. I care more about reasonable way to try to decrease them. I called it a lame comparison because alcohol is relatively easy to make yourself. Most people can't manufacture their own guns.

Funniest tweet so far: "This is not the day to politicize the NRA's press conference"

He's basically advocating a militarized society. Why stop at schools?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 06:53 AM) Whatever legislation eventually gets proposed, it needs to do something to address this: Print your own gun! Now all of those lame alcohol prohibition comparisons can actually mean something now that people could create their own stuff at home.

Excellent performance from Louis CK last night at the Paramount Theater.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 06:33 AM) That's wasn't the question. It was an irrelevant question.

QUOTE (Tex @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 08:19 PM) Isn't punishing someone for having something stolen punishing the victim? If you're in the business of selling dangerous weapons and you can't secure them, then too bad if you get penalized. People's lives are at stake. I doubt those who'd risk stealing guns are stealing them to protect their chicken coop.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 08:09 PM) Such as? Gun dealers who lose a gun pay a heavy fine for each missing gun. A missing/stolen gun used in a crime automatically gets the gun dealer to lose their business license plus a heavy fine.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 08:04 PM) How would more strict regulations prevent him from stealing a gun? The guy broke the law to obtain it so any regulation would not have kept him from it. Maybe a more severe penalty for stealing a gun, like an automatic prison sentence but that's about it. Stricter regulations on gun dealers. They have virtually nothing to lose when they screw up. A slap on the wrist is typical when guns all of a sudden are missing from their inventory.

Nope. Stricter regulation is not necessary.

AJ's "Move b****" YTMND video. EDIT: The swear filter applies to hyperlinks too. You'll have to edit the link with the "b" word.

Someone please post the "Move b****!" animated .gif from YTMND with AJ. Site is blocked here at work. Thanks for a wild ride AJ!

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 03:26 PM) Good for other countries in the world. When they become the lone superpower they can talk, I dont give a s***. Its my right as an American, not my non-right as a non-American. EDIT- I have to run, I'll respond to this liberal nonsense later tonight when I get off work. An overwhelming number of Americans want to see stricter gun regulations. I'd imagine that includes people from both major political parties.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 02:30 PM) And what a solution it has been! Clearly, there are no examples in the world of gun laws in other countries that has led to lower gun violence. We can only compare things to alcohol and drunk driving, which liberals wouldn't want to curb because they drink and are lazy. Meanwhile conservatives don't want to regulate law abiding citizens, except gays and women.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 06:57 AM) There is one big difference. In those other countries, they censor violence and celebrate sex. In America it's the opposite. A kid can watch someone get their head blown off, but god forbid he sees a boob! That's a pretty general statement. You're telling me Modern Combat is only sold in the states?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 06:52 AM) If people have good ways to suggest laws that would reduce the incidence of drunk driving, I'd be totally game for those also. I think city-funded tipsy-tow programs or free drivers or something like that, the type of thing that happens on expensive nights, would be a great thing to have in areas with multiple bars. I'd think of it as effectively an expense that the city imposes upon those facilities. Most people would agree to better laws and regulations to reduce drunk driving incidents. I wish I could say the same thing about gun homicides.

**Hmm. What's Y2HH getting all worked up about? I'll go read the post he's referring to.** /irony

I've also not seen people who snap go out of their way to steal cars or use their own to go on mass killing sprees to kill as many people as possible. They go for the true killing weapon of choice, guns,.

It's funny how we have the worst homicide rate in the world involving guns for westernized societies, by a wide margin, and half the population thinks it has absolutely nothing to do with our lax gun laws. All the other countries play the same video games, watch the same movies from Hollywood, and have nerdy high school boys who are ostracized.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 19, 2012 -> 09:26 PM) What would be the impact to society if cigarettes went away? Alcohol? Narcotics? I couldn't care less if those went away. Same with guns.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 19, 2012 -> 09:20 PM) This is the difference. You are forcing your opinion on others and want the government to enforce it. There are many productive uses for guns. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean the government should restrict it. Many? If guns went away, what would the true impact be to society? Compare that to taking cars away. Huge difference and you know it.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 19, 2012 -> 09:06 PM) No. They are analogous in that if you use them as they are intended to be used, they drastically increase the odds of harm occurring, even without intent. If you make a list of the pros and cons of allowing cars in society and allowing guns, the pros for cars would be exponentially higher. As strangesox pointed out the other day, you remove cars from society and the world we know right now would be drastically altered for the worse. Guns, IMO, are a nice to have and utterly unnecessary. That's why we put up with the deaths caused by accidents. Also, cars and drivers are heavily regulated by the government, from emissions standards to annual inspections to safety features, and so forth. You can't legally drive a car that doesn't feature seatbelts, or a car that spews too much exhaust into the air. You have to take both a written and a behind-the-wheel test to get a license to operate a car. You often have to renew that license at regular intervals and, if you're older, you have to prove that you're physically capable of driving a car. You can't drive a car while drinking alcohol or impaired by other chemicals. There are thousands of police officers patrolling our roads and, as most of us have experienced at one time or another, they will penalize or arrest you for improper handling of a car -- with literally hundreds of laws to abide, and considerable penalties, ranging from fines to imprisonment to the government stripping you of your right to drive a car at all.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 19, 2012 -> 08:32 PM) ? Sure they do. Drugs cause the direct and indirect deaths of all kinds of people. Guns, booze, narcotics, cigarettes...they all are similar in that society seemingly tolerates them or tries not to (but they exist anyways due to extraordinary demand) and they cause harm to innocent people, directly and indirectly. Over 30k people in the country were intentionally killed with guns last year. That's the difference. People don't use a cigarette or bump of coke to intentionally kill others.