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QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Dec 17, 2012 -> 01:58 PM) It is not false. A car has a purpose outside of deadly harm. I agree with you about drinking and driving. But...a gun has no other purpose. Guns have a wide range of purposes: - Kill people - Kill animals - Practice shooting at targets so that you can one day kill a person/animal if you have to

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 17, 2012 -> 01:52 PM) That's simply false. Maybe you enjoy shooting at targets at the range, it's a hobby of yours. That right there is a use of a gun that's not deadly harm. Same goes for people who are into archery. Yes, you CAN kill someone with a bow/arrow, but that doesn't have to be it's ONLY use. Take up throwing darts. It's cheaper and safer.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 17, 2012 -> 01:46 PM) While I understand your condescension, it ignores the argument I posed. If you guy that Volvo, and drink and drive as a routine, ignoring the law, IMO, it IS your intention to kill people, whether they're attacking your family or not. That's a leap. Who has a few drinks and think "I want to kill people tonight"? They just think they're ok enough to drive safely home.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 17, 2012 -> 01:35 PM) That depends on how you want to frame this... I'd say we should include drunk driving as intentional uses of a car as a weapon, while it may not be their "intention", the fact they get in their car while intoxicated makes it exactly that. And if we include that, I bet there are far more of such accidents with cars than with guns. I also understand I'm stretching here to make an argument, but I think it's valid considering drunk drivers that kill people will get convicted of manslaughter. QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 17, 2012 -> 01:37 PM) It was roughly 10-11k last year. Indeed. I totally bought my Volvo to kill people who try to harm me and my family. In fact, after work today I'll be joining my uncle at the driving range where we get to drive into cardboard cutouts of people to practice our technique to intentionally kill people with our cars. And thank goodness our master bedroom is huge. I keep my car idling next to my bed so that I can run over any home intruder who dares enter my home.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 17, 2012 -> 01:27 PM) Oh bulls***. At some point we just choose not to care because of the importance of the object at issue. Obviously you could give two s***s so of course it's a bad analogy for you. I do care, so it's a good one. Again, how many people were intentionally killed by guns vs being intentionally killed by cars last year?

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 17, 2012 -> 01:14 PM) I think this right here is an important statistic. knightni = James Joyner? link

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Dec 17, 2012 -> 01:12 PM) Greatest military might in the world has been stuck fighting goat herders in the mountains of Afghanistan for the past 10 years. Ah I see. Didn't realize you owned rocket launchers as well.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Dec 17, 2012 -> 01:08 PM) Violent crime is practically non-existant [ ] I can trust the government to hold a complete monopoly on the use of force [ ] ... I can trust to government to do anything for that matter [ ] There you go, that's what would have to happen to even get me to even think this is worth debating. Ah. The one man army against the greatest military might in the world. That'd be fun to watch.

So back to the question in the title of this thread? Is it time to revisit the 2nd amendment? For those who've been saying no, is there any scenario at all where you would consider doing so?

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 17, 2012 -> 11:22 AM) And I never said they weren't good at what they do, but we don't go overboard trying to protect society from every potential object that can kill. Let's ban vehicles because we know 10k people a year are going to die from DUI's. Oh wait, no, that's acceptable. It's not some terrible boogeyman to blame and be scared of like guns. Out of all the car fatalities this past year, how many people were intentionally killed by a car? Of all gun fatalities this past year, how many people were intentionally killed by a gun?

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 17, 2012 -> 11:14 AM) And my problem with this has always been that there are an infinite number of dangerous objects that can be used, in the heat of the moment or deliberately, to kill. We all don't live in some strange fear of cars or knives or whatever. The ease of killing doesn't change the fact that if I wanted I can just run people down in my car. Or go around slashing people with a knife like in China. Then just keep a knife on your night stand to protect your family.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 17, 2012 -> 09:37 AM) Um, no. That's not about taking responsibility. You can be 100% responsible and have your weapon stolen somehow. I don't agree with blaming that person if they took every precaution against it, but it happened anyway. You get your gun(s) stolen and it's used in a crime, you get a warning. Your gun(s) get stolen a 2nd time and you lose your privilege to own guns. Also, if you fail to report your gun stolen and it's used in a crime, you automatically get a misdemeanor charge and 30 days in jail.

I'm just so sick of people defending guns as if they're are vital to someone's existence. "How dare you take guns away! I will literally shrivel up and die if I don't have one! They are more important than air, food, and water!!"

QUOTE (Reddy @ Dec 17, 2012 -> 06:52 AM) did... did you guys just... like... agree? Hard to disagree with that idea.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 16, 2012 -> 11:55 PM) Look, this issue is very simple IMO. Restrict the rules on weapons designed to wipe out dozens, hundreds of people at a time. Why the f*** do these weapons need to be out there in society? I mean, grow up, Americans. We don't need weapons of war on our streets and in the hands of mothers who like weapons, weapons that can be stolen by mothers' sons where they kill 20 little angels.

Telling People Not to "Politicize" Mass Shootings Is Politicizing Mass Shootings

Holy s*** And no Greg, no amount of God in school helps stuff like this.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 10:42 PM) I'm not going to spend 10 minutes finding the Huckabee segment on CNN. If you want to listen to what Huckabee said, he was the person I was trying to quote and agree with his position. I didn't think my point was garbage. I'm saying our kids today are raised that there is no God and told God is a bad thing. No God-fearing person would do this. Some of us believe that the scumbag murderer is rotting in hell. Hmm....person with mental health issues and more God. Sounds like a great idea. Perhaps he could have shot up a Planned Parenthood or some latinos standing in front of Home Depot looking for work instead.

Really digging the new Tyvek album, On Triple Beams.

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QUOTE (knightni @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 02:27 PM) His mom's rifle woudn't have been usable for him. Only she would have been able to use it. I love your idea but gun manufacturers would never go for it. It would kill their bottom line.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 02:24 PM) i guess that goes back to 'gun shows' and free for all gun buying with no checks. still, that wouldn't have stopped the shooting in question. i guess the guy took his moms hunter rifle and use that to kill. it's likely that she could legally buy a gun. I propose that goes away completely.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 02:18 PM) most criminals steal guns or buy them from straw buyers. what you are suggesting doesn't fix anything. See my edited post above. You get in the habit of getting your gun stolen you no longer are allowed to buy one. Same goes for dealers. You lose, or have a certain amount of guns stolen and you're done selling guns.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 02:14 PM) so someone buys a hunting rifle from Walmart, the rifle gets stolen by a criminal, and criminal shoots someone. who goes to jail? obviously not the shooter because it's the guns fault. but who at Warlmart goes to jail? CEO? Sales Clerk? You report a stolen rifle to the police. Yes, I know this is rocket science. EDIT: In this gun tracking database that I'm proposing, you get a gun(s) stolen on more than one occasion you're flagged in teh system and not allowed to buy one ever again. As a dealer, you have a certain number of guns missing and you lose your license permanently.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 12:44 PM) Rather than ask for you to be banned, I'll say, gee thanks for the intelligent response. I had a scholarship to Northwestern offered to me. I was accepted to two Ivy League schools. Yes I am really a stupid person. I said I might have not explained my position well enough, but rather than discuss it, you go into bombadeer Greg mode. Nice. Bringing up religion after this happened? Why? What the heck does religion have to do with what happened yesterday? No Christian has ever gone on a shooting rampage? I went to public schools my entire life. Does that mean I'm much more susceptible to going postal? Your logic is garbage and doesn't deserve to be brought up. Next you'll be telling us this tragedy happened because gay people can get married in certain states and it's God's way to punish us.