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QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Dec 17, 2007 -> 01:53 PM) I understand, I wasn't saying that you thought it was MLB's rule, I'm just saying that imo it IS important whether or not MLB itself had banned the substances. I would say it's wrong for baseball to discipline someone based on US law, and not their own rules. I'm not the least bit concerned with MLB's discipline or anything else though, that's my point. The excuse people use is that these items weren't "banned by MLB" so it's not necessarily wrong. However, if they are illegal to use without a prescription it is wrong no matter what MLB has to say. I'm not concerned with disciplinary action, rather just the ethics in the situation and the fact that, regardless of what MLB says, it's still "wrong."

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Dec 17, 2007 -> 01:11 PM) I don't agree with that. It's not MLB's place to enforce federal law, only its own rules. Imo it's unreasonable for MLB to discipline anyone who used steroids before the MLB ban, or HGH before MLB banned that. If the feds want to pursue a case, that's their business, not baseball's. I wasn't saying it was MLB's... I was saying regardless of whether it was in the baseball bylaws, these players are still breaking the law, so it's still inherently wrong. I think people misunderstood my point though. I'm over the steroids thing, I think the Mitchell Report is a joke and didn't tell anyone anything that they didn't already know, and these accusations are largely based on heresay. Yeah, if it puts pressure on the MLBPA, it makes a difference, but was that worth $20 mill? If they decide to let MLB do blood tests (HIGHLY DOUBTFUL), then the bad boys will find a new way to beef up the hitters. It's an endless cycle. Badger, your point about taking the drugs out of country was a good one.

I don't get the whole "they weren't banned" argument either. They were illegal to use in the US, so why must MLB explicitly list these drugs in their banned substances. People tend to forget that it is illegal in the United States to acquire and use non-prescription steroids.

I say screw it. Previous roiders are in... we already don't have the all-time hitking in the hall of fame... not including the best pitcher and power hitter of all time would further lend to denounce the validity of the HoF and what it stands for... Which is fine by me. Believe it or not, players got hopped up on amphetamines in the 70s, probably injected themselves with horse testosterone in the 50s for christ's sake. These guys have always cheated, always will cheat, and thinking anything else is looking at this through rose-colored glasses. There is no "purity" to Major League Baseball. It's grown men playing a game, getting paid millions to do it (nowadays), and doing whatever they can to get ahead.

No one said this would be easy. The Hawks played way over their heads and even got me thinking they'd be a top 4 team in the West. That's just not going to happen with this division. If they make the playoffs, its a victory, but regardless, this team is set up for the long run and I am very excited about it.

To answer the question posted as the subject of this thread. No.

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 16, 2007 -> 07:07 PM) Considering the ridiculous amount of media attention, I would say many, many people care. As for the 20 million, where are you getting that? Didn't Selig say the cost was being greatly exagerated? What did we really learn from the investigation? Steroids are bad, people cheated, and those we suspected of cheating we still suspect of cheating. The 20 mill is down from a 50 mill estimate at first.

After reading the entire Mitchell Report, I have to ask, where'd that 20 million dollars go? If it costs that much to make some phone calls that aren't returned and basically interview just two different people a total of like 7 times, then s*** costs a lot these days. Selig & Co. should be embarrassed by the final product. Does anyone really care?

QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Dec 16, 2007 -> 04:54 PM) 2 games = "a ways to go" OK I believe he's including the playoffs/Superbowl.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Dec 15, 2007 -> 08:04 PM) although some argue that he doctors the ball, but I couldn't care less about that as I don't believe in throwing a fit over Gaylord Perry or anyone else So you condone one type of cheating and not another? That's wrong on every count...

QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Dec 14, 2007 -> 08:23 PM) Toews, Kane, huge front story on nhl section of espn.com http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/nhl/index If it's off by the time you see this, link below: http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/stor...&id=3152371 That's incredibly awesome.

Trumaine McBride Brendon Ayanbadejo

Damn... the Athletics made out in this one, and the D-Backs got their guy. A good deal for both clubs... I hadn't realized Eveland had cooled off as far as hot prospects go, but I still like this return for Oakland as well. And I'm all for any deal that gets a stud out of the AL, those never seem to happen.

I'd be livid if the Sox reached on Danks when they finally have a relatively high selection.

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 14, 2007 -> 03:08 PM) Marmol >>> Nathan, when you take into consideration Nathan's upcoming contract extension. I hope Hendry makes that move. Then I can laugh when Marmol does better two years from now. However, if they are going for it, it'd be a good move for the Cubs for the short term.

Based on record, they will be either 6 or 7, depending on how ties work (tied with Cincinnati record-wise).

QUOTE(Felix @ Nov 20, 2007 -> 09:40 PM) Please tell me someone else watches Nip/Tuck here. This really getting ridiculous.. This may be a month too late, but I do, and I'm particularly enjoying this season.

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OMG, the sig is gone.

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 10:04 PM) Lincecum has concerns. Prior has issues. Paris Hilton has crabs.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 05:07 PM) I'd still like Roberts on the cheap. Me too. What he did last year was without steroids. I feel that he did the roids between the 04-05 offseason when he started so hot. Sure, he's kept some of the muscle, but expecting a decline from last year when I believe he was clean might be unreasonable.

It'd be nice to move Paulie for some pieces of value.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 04:49 PM) I don't get this thread. To me Frank never had any links to steroids, and the Mi$tchell Report isn't the end-all of the steroids in the history of baseball. My level of respect for Frank, Thome or Konerko hasn't changed today, but I say that not as an insult. It had absolutely nothing to do with any sort of link to steroids. No one's ever really believed that Frank had anything to do with it. It's just on days like today, you can truly appreciate what Frank Thomas was and is for baseball, and especially for Chicago White Sox baseball.

Well, heading home to curl up with my copy of the Mitchell Report. If i find anything that went unnoticed I'll give it a whirl.