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Levine just commented that the Sox are definitely looking at Martinez and Pelfrey as the return.

I think this is more of the same... we'll probably be waiting awhile.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 02:21 PM) The Manny talk is interesting, even if Boras is his agent. KW's had a megaboner for Manny for a long time. Sorry, I just hopped in... what's this Manny talk?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 12:15 PM) The irony, of course, is that it seems KW is making a living finding other big-time talent that's underachieving or overcoached (or through injury) and making lemonade out of it...and now they seem to be on a big-time roll with Jord. Danks, Beckham, Viciedo and Poreda (and hopefully a healthy Fields). I like how you chose the "period" versus the extra letter that it would have taken to type "an". That is hilarious.

QUOTE (scenario @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 11:29 AM) If we acquired Furcal, I'm guessing Alexei might move to CF. Lineup by June in a perfect world (assuming Konerko, Dye, or Thome are not dealt, which would then make it even a more perfecter world!). SS Furcal CF Ramirez LF Quentin RF Dye DH Thome 1B Konerko C Pierzynski 3B Viciedo 2B Beckham

QUOTE (scenario @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 11:29 AM) If we acquired Furcal, I'm guessing Alexei might move to CF. I'm down.

QUOTE (MurcieOne @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 11:07 AM) not sure if i saw this posted elsewhere, but the Hawks are currently leading the NHL in attendance. McDounough is really good at his job. That's f***ing insane.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 10:35 AM) http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3716458 I thought the deal was for five years, not four...interesting. Well, that really means KW is serious about them pushing this kid to make some contributions no later than 2010 but more probably in 2009. The kid becomes a free agent, essentially, at age 23/24...which is more or less what he was a week or so ago, I guess. FWIW, ESPN is the only outlet reporting 4 years, so they could simply be mistaken.

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 11:04 AM) A package of Davis and Jackson seems eerily similar to Floyd and Gio... Jackson's had MUCH more time to figure things out than Floyd had had at the time.

I'll go on record saying this team would not miss Byfuglien much, if at all. He's not tough, he's just big. With big comes slow. Aside from a few hits here and there, his actually "toughness" can be related to Eric Daze. He's big, but that doesn't mean hes tough.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 10:50 AM) Just saying Gordon actually plays defense doesn't make it so. Gordon is a suspect defender because of his lack of size/length, especially on shooting guards (the Skiles thing you reference was against PG's, which rarely happens given the matchups), any scout will tell you that and the stats will back that up. The Bulls' defense was 8 and a half points better per 100 posessions on defense when he was off the court last season, and even with his offensive prowess the offense was only .8 points better when he was on the floor. Granted that figure is better so far this season, but it's a small sample size (his preciptitous drop in PER the last two games shows how small) and the stats have gone down hill since he was inserted into the starting lineup. There's no doubt that he had been playing well before the last two and that he's clearly at worst our second best scorer, but he's also highly streaky as the last two games have shown and like the rest of the team can be replaced with a little effort with someone that isn't quite as explosive but is more well-rounded and have a similar impact. If he were reasonable with his contract of course bring him back, but the last thing the Bulls need is another decent but not great player getting 10 mil+ a year, that seriously backfired with Hinrich and Deng isn't exactly off to a good start on that either. I'm also curious as to how the fact that Gordon's PER in a 12 game sample (which is also a fair amount over his career totals) is higher than that of Rose is relevant. Comparing an above average player in his 5th season to a barely 20 year old rookie playing a position where even the best young players typically struggle quite a bit isn't exactly even. Damn you, Zoom, for bringing reality to the thread.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 10:31 AM) I said in September that is who we would go after. I still believe it. Yeah. They want Jermaine Dye and are dangling Carl Crawford to get him. When, Lord? When will people stop ALWAYS bringing up Carl Crawford!?!??!

I'd love Davis, but that ain't a-happening.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 10:19 AM) Are the GMs screaming at each other? I heard that there was some sobbing.

No details yet, but they say talks are getting rather heated.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 09:59 AM) Also, isnt there some funny symbolism that she just keeps talking and talking while carnage is going on behind her? The woman shoots wolves with high powered rifles from helicoptors... I think it's just part of the culture up there. Animals need to be controlled and/or are used for food. Just because you don't see it, it doesn't mean that turkey you eat next Thursday wasn't killed the same way. This is just an honest moment. Seriously, it's time to get over Sarah f***ing Palin. She doesn't affect you anymore.

I got a plastic Winnie the Poo head stuck around my head.

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 09:39 AM) I think you are the first person from Chicago I have ever heard of who likes it. My old man was born in St. Louis and has family down there, so I went down there as a kid a lot so I guess I was introduced early enough.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 09:29 AM) im happy we signed this guy, but why the hell are we willing to throw 11 mil at virtually unknown cuban players and yet won't deal out money in the draft to guys like Porcello? I understand high school players like Rick are unknown as well, but it just seems silly to me....i guess its because during the draft we have an opportunity to take another player who may be close to as good for alot cheaper, but still....either way i like to see money invested in acquiring young players...its partially how the red sox have been built into what they are Porcello did sign for 11.1 mill, while Viciedo signed for 11 mill. I didn't understand it at the time, and Porcello would sure look good in our system. I believe the franchise did exactly what you state, thought they could get a relatively similar player for cheaper. However, as I said the day we drafted him, Poreda is going to be a reliever, while Porcello looks to be a future ace or at worst #2 starter. You get what you pay for... QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 09:32 AM) Because Jerry isn't going to violate slot bonuses because of his handshake agreement with the commish. That too.

QUOTE (rangercal @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 09:16 AM) well, yeah. I'm pointing out anyone wanting him gone with no good reason has no clue about the state of basketball. Losing Gordon for nothing in return is not a step in the right direction. I agree with that... Paxson really screwed this one up by letting it get to the point that Ben Gordon has next to no trade value, and will probably walk at the end of the year. He had a nice run initially fixing the funk left by Krause (although, giving Tyson away was so incredibly stupid I want to kill someone everytime I see him block another shot)... and it seems that though it seemed like a good thing at the time, the move of Eddy Curry for two Knicks picks has become a wash (although, we're not stuck with that contract) because Pax gave away LaMarcus Aldridge, who is exactly what this franchise has been looking for... Think if we had Aldridge and Hawes instead of Tyrus and Noah? I find it funny. All we want is a low-post scorer, so we deal the proven low-post prospect for a high-upside guy (something Pax never did before), and it backfired. Now we're stuck with Kirk, Deng, Tyrus all performing well under where they were expected to be at this point, and a guy in Gordon who's forced to be the #1 scoring option when he normally should be #3.

QUOTE (knightni @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 05:30 AM) That's exactly what I was going to post. I obviously read many, many minds and channeled them all for what can only be described as the most brilliant post in all of Soxtalk history.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 08:36 AM) Tex's thread options at the bottom are hilarious. They always are...

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 09:04 AM) "Thankfully, we aren't talking about Ed Wade or Houston, but instead a sometimes sly, sometimes straight up questionable Kenny Williams." "inconsistent" Well, geez, what GM is always consistent and never deviates from a straight-forward path?? This criticism is a little bit ridiculous to me...I mean, some of these writers are still stuck in "Moneyball" thinking about KW and conveniently have already forgotten the 2005 season and some of his recent masterful moves (Quentin, Ramirez, Floyd, Danks, Thornton) because they're too bent on beating the two Swisher deals to death. Simply, the White Sox weren't doing well in either the draft (partly because of positioning, partly due to the department itself, Wilder, etc.) and they weren't getting much of anything out of Venezuela or the Domincan. Hence, we've explored two new markets in Japan and Cuba...and potentially more from Taiwan/China. Heck, Anderson Gomes is Brazilian, correct? That really didn't seem like a critical article.

QUOTE (rangercal @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 02:46 AM) anyone who does not want Gordon back for the right price, does not know basketball. The key is "for the right price", because some might argue that price is about 7-8 mill per, not the 11-12 per he's going to want. If he were 6-6, I'd give him a max deal. However, a 6-2 guard who gives no effort on the defensive end and can lose you as many games as he wins you... I can't give him the money he thinks he deserves.