The Ginger Kid

QUOTE(3E8 @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 05:34 PM) We can't have lots of long outs like the one to JD. There will be many scouts here tonight why do you want to trade garland?

silence frank and keep the mojo going. 5 games out of the wild card by September 1st.

QUOTE(Mplssoxfan @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 03:39 PM) He took money for the express purpose of throwing the World Series. That in and of itself condemns him, in my book. His stats were good (.375BA,.957 OPS), but reading up on guys who threw games at the time there was a lot of padding of stats when things didn't matter, like bearing down when well behind or well ahead. One telling thing that you don't hear much about is that in an eight game series, the Reds had three triples on balls hit to left field, that is, to Jackson. How many triples have you seen come from balls hit to left this season? I don't think I've seen two. And this was a guy who is considered a good defender, after all, "his glove is where triples go to die". It's tough to admit it, but Joe sold out the Sox. I don't think he threw anything. But I do agree he took money with the intention of throwing the series, but when he realized he was getting screwed on the deal by Gandil, he balked. Cicotte is the guy who did the most damage. Joe Falls, a reporter with the Detroit Free Press, interviewed him in 1965 in an article called, "Cicotte, 46 Years Later" You can find it in The Best of Baseball Digest. It's pretty terrific. The last line will break your heart. This isn't the entire article; I could only find part of it online:

Sayonara Tad, you were an awesome addition and will never be forgotten for your contributions in '05 (the unofficial MVP!)!! That 3-run dinger off Wells in game 2, on the quick pitch, meant more to that team than most realize.

QUOTE(supernuke @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 10:29 AM) I just recently finnished his book Burying the Black Sox. I thought it was more informative than 8 men out. I would also recomend Say it ain't so Joe by Doanald Gropman, the biography is a little dry but there is some good info in there. Red Legs and Black Sox was also a good read, it has a perspective of the scandal from the Reds side. just ordered the book from Amazon - thanks

QUOTE(ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 07:36 AM) Look for books/writings by Gene Carneyon this subject. He is one of, if not the most, prominent authority on this subject. I did a bunch of research for a senior thesis two years ago in college on this subject and how it tied into the changing times in the U.S. from the 1910's into the 1920's. I used a bunch of stuff written by him and also went to the HoF itself to use its archives to do research in their library (which is very cool, by the way). Although not an innocent figure, i'm not so sure how involved Jackson was in this. There are a lot of holes in many arguments from a bunch of untrustwhrothy sources (including Arnold Rothstein). I cant get into it much now w/o my paper and being at work, but if interested in this subject you definitely have to look at works by Gene Carney. thanks for the tip. I'm always fascinated by this subject, especially how it relates to the Sox. I never realized how popular the team was nationally at that time and especially in Chicago. Someone once wrote about the historical turn of events that occurred over those two years - the Yankees buying Ruth, the Sox throwing the series, losing 8 players, the Yankees rise to prominence and the Sox fall from grace. What might have been... Buck Weaver lived out of his life on the south side. I think he died walking down 35th.

I also wonder what Sweeney might do if he were to be given the some day in, day out shot that Fields and Owens are getting.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 07:52 AM) Yes to Dye, hell no to Pods I'm surprised, I thought you were over Dye. I too think he still has something left in the tank.

QUOTE(Yossarian @ Jul 26, 2007 -> 01:57 PM) It's a long complicated, multi-layered story. Most of the stuff out there is sympathetic to the players and demonizes owner Charles Comiskey. The Book Eight Men Out by Elliot Asinof, and the Nelson Algren short story The Swede Was a Hard Guy, are two examples of this. Although I believe the players (7 of them anyway) are guilty, I still recommend you read these two works, they're full of historical information. For a dose of reality try Joe's Grand Jury testimony. Joe's testimony The Algren poem is one of my favorites. And just for the record, what they did was not against the law nor were they in violation of their contracts by accepting money to play at less than their full potential. Not defending what they did, just pointing it out. If anyone should be exonerated, it's the ginger kid, Buck Weaver.

I still wonder about all the crap that was going on with his family early in the season and whether that has something to do with his problems (not counting his loss of velocity!).

It would be so nice to see this team get above .500 and maybe even find a way to finish ahead of the twins. It's all I'm rooting for at this point. Dignity.

I get the feeling the final score is going to be somewhere in the ballpark of 14-13.

i love it when I'm right

crooked number coming this inning. the gambler's getting shelled.

Rabelo has good speed -- that was close

order in the universe is restored. i hope Rogers is not allowed to get on track today. For the love of god, take his weak ass s*** to right field. this tigers team looks mighty different without guitar hero and rodney. Dumbrowski has to make a move to bolster that pen.

QUOTE(bmags @ Jul 24, 2007 -> 07:23 PM) he must have incriminating photos on Williams. He is horrible. edit: oh, someone beat me to the punch! that's comedy

wow, someone needs to lay off the reload button

ah, there's nothing like scoreboard watching to see how the mighty royals are doing. The race for last! WOO HOO

having watched the tigers, red sox and indians over the last week, i have to give the edge to boston. I think their pitching is deeper than the cleveland's or detroit's.

QUOTE(Shamrock4Life @ Jul 24, 2007 -> 06:12 PM) well that didn't answer my question. but the game is on mlb.tv through a link on whitesox.com sorry, meant to say that yes, it is on mosaic.

ozzie's always saying that uribe can carry a team. Has he ever done that? Is he referring to the equipment?

QUOTE(Shamrock4Life @ Jul 24, 2007 -> 06:07 PM) is this game on mosaic for anybody, because its not showing up for me. i signed up for mosaic hoping to watch a great division race this season. d'oh!

is charlie not available tonight? Someone's going to have to get floyd out of there soon.

QUOTE(Brian @ Jul 24, 2007 -> 05:55 PM) Hopefully this is the last we see of Gavin. so true. great job, kenny.