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QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 10:35 AM) This thread is quite odd. 1.) To say the Sox got "fleeced" in the Pods and Viz for Lee deal is absolutely WRONG. At worst, the deal worked out for both teams, IMO, KW fleeced the Brewers. Why? Because Pods is back to being a 300 hitter and VIzcaino has turned it around as of late and can become a solid contributer to the bullpen. 2.) Overbay will be expensive. No doubt about it. But, he will improve this offense immensely. If I am not mistaken, he has 16 HR's this year but his BA is a bit down. Walker can work with him to get his BA up just like he did with Pods and the HR's will obviously come because a.) he does have powere as he is a large man and b.) we play at the Cell. Out him 3rd or 5th in the lineup and we will excel. I didn't say they got fleeced, I said from a brewer fan's perspective, they got fleeced. The Brewers were desperate to dump Pods in the offseason and were also desperate to acquire power. For that to happen, and to get an allstar out of the deal, was better than anything brewer fans could have hoped for. Obviously the trade worked out perfectly for both teams.

QUOTE(3E8 @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 08:45 AM) So what is your take on Attanasio scoffing at the idea of trading Overbay? I think he had some quote today saying, "why would we do that?" Mark A is still thinking playoffs and possible upgrading for a little while at least, so maybe its wait and see, unless a great offer comes along, As for Melvin, he always downplays the trade and then it happens - and he is calling the shots. If the right deal came along, Melvin would jump on it (like he did to acquire Overbay for Sexson in the first place, resulting in several holes filled). The Brewers are aware that Overbay needs to be dealt as he doesn't fit into next year's plan, but I guess they aren't really 'desperate' if next year's 1b free agent market is weak as was mentioned.

QUOTE(Wedge @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 07:29 AM) It's probably the right attitude: two guys that can fill holes in 2006 OR three guys that might never make MLB. the brewers don't have any obvious holes to fill. This is why they should be willing to look at prospects if they have bigger upside. If they could dump Jenkins contract, they probably would, except that if they combined him with overbay, they would be unloading their 2 most popular hitters and Jenkins still is their best defensive player (along with Hardy). The team has some average, serviceable, cheap players (C, relievers, 3B until Braun) that can be ugraded. Backups Magruder and Durrington can be upgraded, but there have prospects that could take on that role.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 11:29 PM) The fact that Overbay isn't a power hitter right now shouldn't even be considered. The minute he puts on a Sox uniform, his average will drop 30 points and his power will increase. except you need to add the brewer hitting factor into the equation. The brewers seem to hit 30 points less and not gain any power in return. carlos lee 2004 batted .305 new and improved brewer carlos lee 2005 batting .266 Scott Podsednik 2004 batted .244 2005 batting .302 the brewers hitting coach is as bad as their pitching coach is good

QUOTE(Soxnbears01 @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 11:22 PM) i think the word fleeced is terrible to use in that trade. The trade worked out for both teams, that is how all trades should be. I agree. I was saying fans of both teams could think that way. Prior to the deal, (the always cash-conscious) Brewer fans were thinking..'oh great we just signed a big deal to career .250 hitter (Pods) that had one big year and now has sunk back to reality. Also, we have nobody that can knock in runs..now what?' The Lee deal seemed way too good to be true...and I know you have similar reasoning for thinking the opposite.

Brewer fan here to give my take on the overbay rumors. First off, as a brewer fan I believe the Brewers fleeced the Sox to get Lee, as they were desperate both to unload Podz and were equally desperate to acquire power. But if I can just as easily see how a Sox fan would think they fleeced the Brewers. An amazing result for both teams indeed. Second, I love Overbay. The knock on him is what value is a first baseman that can't hit homeruns (only 16 last year.. but he did have 53 2Bs)? He is probably the biggest fan favorite (and my favorite) because he works hard and was the best hitter (by far) on last year's team, though he tailed off at the end when the brewers were out of contention. It seems that many Brewers go through prolonged hitting slumps and you start to wonder about the hitting coach. Overbay can get locked in to hitting for very long stretches and is pretty much automatic when that happens. At his price tag to a cheap team like Milwaukee, you hate to let someone like that go. I still don't think we've seen his best yet..career minor league numbers looked positive and he's about to hit his peak age. It's unfortunate that two of their best players play the same position and are both cheap right now. I really think he's going to turn into a .310/25HR type of player when he levels off and the Brewers could really use that. Unfortunately there is no position for him. He is not versatile enough to move and if we had a DH spot, we'd put Fielder there, but unless we switch back to the AL... The problem is serious as Fielder is ready and the Brewers want him to get experience for next year (see the rash of youth they've brought up already). The Brewers think they have a Frank Thomas - type future perennial allstar in Fielder. They need to move Overbay now. If you had been on the Brewer fan boards at all this year, you'd have seen a hundred posts along the lines of "we know we must deal overbay, but who would take a first baseman that cant hit for power?" These posts began BEFORE the season. His days were already numbered. Melvin is no rush and he's posturing to sweeten the deal. The Sox need to overpay and Melvin won't settle for just an even deal. After all, overbay is the fan favorite, and Mark A has just "won" back the crowds to miller park. the deal needs to look good so it doesnt look like they are just throwing in the towel on the season.