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They'd be dumb to not at least listen to offers. On Quintana too.

I don't know if Robin is to blame for this slide, but I still can't figure out where he adds value either. If the players like him, great, but plenty of employees would love to have a lax boss. That doesn't mean it's good for the organization though, especially when the employees aren't performing.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 04:50 PM) Ok I'll bump it for you later in the year. You'll be nowhere to be found though. That fringe starter has 8 quality starts on the year (Sale and Quintana have 9 each).

If we fall out of contention in the next two months, it's a legit question. We're not out of contention. It would take a big haul though, since I assume we plan to contend next year as well.

Any automated system would have to take into account the height of the batter, right? Probably not terribly difficult, but does the current technology do that?

Right. The season ticket base is low. Keep winning and we'll get some nice crowds over the summer. Go on a playoff run and we'll boost the season ticket base for next year.

Regardless of how anyone felt about LaRoche's kid, it sounds like they're upset with the principle of KW meddling instead of just working it out in the clubhouse.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 12:12 PM) Bob NightengaleVerified account ‏@BNightengale 1h1 hour ago Player rep Adam Eaton said Adam LaRoche had clause in contract to allow son and players union now involved #whitesox Thats sure what it sounds like he is saying to me. Ah, thanks. I was reading another tweet that was vaguer than that one. Like someone else said, if there is a clause, it would be a bit bizarre if the Sox gave up complete control over the clubhouse. It could easily have at least some qualifiers in there.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 12:04 PM) What does it matter what they say? Eaton, the player rep and vocal defender of LaRoche said LaRoche told him its written in the contract. That's not really what Eaton said. He said there was an agreement. He didn't say it was in writing, unless I missed it. Obviously, you can have oral contracts too. They're just harder to enforce. If there is a provision in the written contract, I doubt it gives LaRoche unlimited discretion in that regard. That would be sort of foolish for the Sox to agree to.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 11:23 AM) 1) Kenny said there wasn't. So now someone is lying, but we can't take either for fact. 2) The clause could very well say "Drake LaRoche is welcome in the clubhouse", not "Drake LaRoche has unlimited access to White Sox facilities" For what it's worth, saying there's a contractual agreement isn't necessarily the same thing as saying it's in writing.

I went OF trade, but none of these options look super appealing. The other option is to just go into the season basically with what we have and if we're playing well, fill the holes before the trade deadline. Maybe a couple prospects will improve their trade value by then too.

QUOTE (kevo880 @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 04:21 PM) I think it's extremely likely that we don't end up getting him, but my bet is that they are giving it their best shot. I bet they're giving it a shot, but I also bet we're nowhere close to whatever he ends up getting from someone else.

If the Sox are sticking at 3 years, we're not landing Cespedes.

The case for a one-year deal is that next year's FA class is weak, and maybe some of the traditional big spenders get involved. A two-year deal would be interesting with the stacked FA class, not sure that's a great idea.

QUOTE (dpd9189 @ Jan 12, 2016 -> 12:53 PM) Just to play Devil's Advocate, if the price for Cespedes/Upton eventually does come down in the 2-3 yr range then there will be teams that aren't interested now jump in the mix. Yep. I'm skeptical a guy like Cespedes falls into our lap by default. If his price really drops, we're going to have a lot more competition and I doubt we come out ahead at that point. If we're going to land him, we'll need to put a solid offer out there that keeps the competition on the sidelines. We don't seem willing to do that, at this point.

We're not going to steal Chicago, but if both teams are serious playoff contenders for a stretch, it would certainly help boost our attendance, etc. Chicago has been a pretty miserable baseball town the past 10 years, for the most part. It's starting to pick back up, at least on the North Side. Hopefully down South as well.

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 06:28 PM) It's funny that people see how the market has changed over the past 3-5 years & say what you quoted. Teams make more & the price of players have gone up substantially. In the near future, the White Sox will spend on a big contract & this free agent market is the one to do it in if they are truly "all in". Don't get me wrong, it will obviously happen eventually. I'll believe it when I see it, though. Would love to land one of these guys. I'm just not getting my hopes up. Was our offer to Tanaka ever revealed? A big offer doesn't mean a whole lot if you get outbid by $50 million.

I'll believe we're willing to give out a nine-figure deal when I see it. For any of these OFs.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 10:47 AM) They can make a big bat fit. Close to 30 mill of LaRoche and Danks off the books after this season can make it happen. That's what it seems like. A bunch of these guys who have already signed took less in year one (Heyward included, I believe). Hopefully one of these big bats would be willing to do the same.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 04:52 PM) http://www.csnbayarea.com/athletics/source...de-talks-lawrie Just saw this. Don't know if it's been posted yet Pretty big "snag" if the teams can't agree on the prospects. Isn't that the entire trade? Doesn't sound like a deal is all that close, really.

I don't know how we'd ever get equal value for Sale right now. I'd try to build a team around him for another year or two. If that's not going well two years from now, we could still get a major haul for him then (assuming he's healthy). Not much reason to give up the next year or two of Sale unless some crazy offer comes along.

Isn't every team looking for young, cost controlled talent?

Certainly possible, but it took him this long to figure it out?

I'm baffled that folks are still pegging him for a 4 year, $75-80 million deal, but there's still little risk he'd accept a QO.

I have no idea how you compare across eras. In 1908, Walsh went 40-15 with a 1.42 ERA over 464 innings.