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Potential Crochet Trade discussion Thread
spiderman replied to Chicago White Sox's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Are teams likely to give up top 100 offensive prospects this off-season? I don't think the White Sox should focus on specific positions as much as acquiring top talent so hopefully Getz won't settle for less talent because he wants a RF (as an example). I think they would want 2 top prospects but not sure if that will be doable -
How can they even catch Minn in 3-5 years?
spiderman replied to caulfield12's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Obviously, injuries and performing less than expected could happen for any of the White Sox top prospects. We're seeing some concerns with Montgomery which is a huge concern given how thin the White Sox hitting prospects are, but, if they want to build around pitching, they need to develop all of these prospects and keep drafting them high to have more in the pipeline since they won't pay anyone who's good and we're only have any good young pitchers for 3-4 seasons before financial decisions are made. But....if they can develop pitching....big IF, but they do have talent AND they complement the offense with a mixture of young talent and veteran free agents (another big IF, AND probably won't add much this off-season), they can compete. Whether they win or stay competitive would depend on the health and success of their player development. There's no long-term strategy that is likely to be successful though if they aren't willing to spend on their own talent and impactful free agents. They are giving a false impression that they should only build through the minors...that's fine, and can be sustainable, but it's also near impossible to do for more than short stretches. -
It's hard to have much confidence in the upside of several of these guys, but they have definitely improved the depth of available starting pitchers. Obviously, Schultz, Thorpe and Hagen (excluding Crochet because they are highly likely to trade him for an offensive player) are all projected to be top half of the rotation starters so this team is pretty loaded with options, but all of this is prospect humping for now. I do expect Cannon and Martin to be favorites for rotation spots to open next season along Thorpe. I am hoping that Hagen and Schultz are not part of the roster until at least May for contractual reasons (Hagen is not even a probability to pitch next season in the majors, there's just a chance he'll be here quick). I will give them credit though for rebuilding the young pitching on this roster although some of these guys will clearly not work out. It's just much better depth than they have had in recent memory.
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White Sox rotation options for next season Missing anyone? Lots more depth, good overall potential, but probably 2 years away from being competitive with upside - Crochet (but likely to be traded)..maybe a player they receive in a trade for him. - Thorpe - Cannon - D.Martin - Sean Burke / Ky Bush / Nastrini/Eder - Schultz (after May) - Hagen Smith (maybe later in 2024) - Flexen (or some similar veteran)
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Will the Sox prioritize Moncada over youngsters?
spiderman replied to caulfield12's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Yep, play Vargas everyday also. He's probably going to be a starter next season at 3B (or moving him around some), but agree with your list. -
Yeah, that's my concern for this upcoming off-season. More of these "veteran" type options to fill out a lineup and be leaders, etc. when, in reality, you're signing mediocre backup players and putting them in key roles. Again, I understand....to a point, why they wouldn't be signing players of any significance to big money deals next year IF they are expecting to lose 100 games....at the same time, I struggle with settling. I'm just asking that they (without knowing the actual free agent market) would consider adding players to begin to get the team moving in the right direction. You can do that without mortgaging the future.
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Will the Sox prioritize Moncada over youngsters?
spiderman replied to caulfield12's topic in Pale Hose Talk
I don't see the point of playing him with 20 games left. Just tell him to rest up and get ready for next season. Even if he plays DH and hits a HR or two, that doesn't change anything. He's been a bust and won't be here. They should prioritize playing time to Ramos and Baldwin...I guess I don't care if he plays over Sosa or Lopez, but I don't see any scenario where Moncada is back even if it's a minor league deal. I think they need to move on. -
Has he said that? Technically, yes. They will probably sign a veteran starter or two that will be the equivalent of Flexen or Fedde. Guys that can't throw innings and/or who they think have a potential upside, but on team friendly 1 year deals preferably. I would think upgrading the offense with more than slap hitting fringe MLB options would be a priority, but they may sell us on guys like Quero and Montgomery being difference makers who will do that. I understand, to a point, that they don't want to spend big money on free agency in a year where they are still in full blown rebuilding mode, but things are so bad right now, if there's a player they can acquire who is not 30+, but is more in that 25-27 range who won't cost them upper end money (which eliminates them already), they should be looking to add players.
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Yeah, I would be surprised if they spent this off-season. Without knowing who is available in trade or free agency, I think they should consider adding anyone who is younger and can contribute to the MLB roster. That may require them to spend money which would be a tall ask, but if there version of improvement is trading for more slap hitters with low upside who they hope can contribute, we're going to be in deep trouble again next off-season. I really struggle with this team telling us they need 3-5 years to rebuild. That shouldn't be acceptable.
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My guess is that they will treat this off-season similar to this past one. Look for "value" signings on 1 year type deals and move any that produce at the trade deadline. Maybe the young pitching develops into a strength and we end the season feeling like the starting rotation will be ready to win in 2026, but unless they pivot to some degree, I really don't see them spending big (ever under current ownership), but next year even moreso.
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Is there any reason to suspect that the White Sox will be an active player in free agency? Not signing cast-offs, but actual impact type players? Does a season this awful alter the outlook of the organization? Continue to build via the minor league system, but you can't have the worst major league team in history as a result. That doesn't seem like an unreasonable balance to strike.
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The White Sox already eliminated him from candidacy since he's not currently in uniform. Obviously short-sighted. If Francona wants to return to managing, he'll have options. Even if the White Sox changed their minds, why would we expect the them to be more attractive than other options?
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So he can't hit, doesn't know basic fundamentals.....everything is falling into place. I can see him sticking around awhile.
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Given the lack of player development, it's still ridiculous that Getz got this job. It's just another example of how bad this organization is. I don't think it's a reach to suggest a team that is about to lose 120 games should clean house, including the GM, but in this organization, it's Getz's job until Reinsdorf sells the team.
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Ah, thanks...I didn't realize that.