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QUOTE (RaySox @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 02:24 PM) MLBN says they're talking about the White Sox after the break... should be an interesting 30 seconds Ha. Will probably turn it into a Cubs conversation!

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 01:58 PM) Yea, they're definitely not this dumb. It's pretty easy to figure out. You send Leury down, keep Bonifacio on the DL for a month until the rosters expand September 1. Seems odd or just pure speculation from a national writer. Maybe the White Sox management just doesn't know how much to sacrifice in order to compete this year; also, if they are looking for a power hitter, it may just more of resolving how to fit these pieces together (the log jam they create).

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 11:58 AM) Padres are so convincing What are the Padres doing? They seem to have some players who other teams want (Ross, Upton), but also some contracts (Kemp, Shields) that are issues. Are they the team that is left holding the bag?

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 11:59 AM) I think Milwaukee would basically give him away if they could. He's a shell of his former self, about to hit the normal age of decline and is owed $100 million over the next 5 years. So, if that is all true, the White Sox would be smart to look elsewhere

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 10:53 AM) Same here. I've enjoyed their latest run but with the Sox schedule and the teams standing between them and the second WC, I just don't see it. If the Sox add a bat, best but if they trade Samardzija I won't be surprised or pissed about it. It's fun for sure, but trying to think big picture is what I think is best. White Sox mgt though is probably just looking to add at this point.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 10:30 AM) I'm starting to wonder if maybe the Sox should deal Samardzija. The Sox have some tough teams between them and the second wild card. Still a 85% chance the White Sox do not make the playoffs; still have a tough schedule ahead of them, and they need to play at a high clip. I don't know if this team can keep playing at such a high level.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 10:44 AM) If teams would give you a sweet package for Samardzija, and you could get a decent bat for a guy like Beck, I'd do both. It would be kind of a wash, but you improve your every day line up. One out of 5 it is Johnson instead of Samardzija which is probably a downgrade, but if you are lucky, not that big, and you improve your system. Why not get creative? If the guy is intent on becoming a free agent and the White Sox think he'll become too expensive, why not create a market for him today?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 09:10 AM) But that depth disappears in a hurry if you're forced to deal Quintana as a result of not possessing the financial resources (or projected season ticket purchasers) to go out and make enough meaningful additions via trade or FA this off-season. It would, but I think trading other young starters like Johnson and potentially losing Samardzia in free agency makes Quintana safe.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 09:02 AM) The thing is, if they do trade Johnson, they're going to go out and get another pitcher unless they want to push Fulmer and Montas into the rotation in April of 2016. It would be pretty incredible...so Erik does have a lot more value to us than he does to other teams. As for pitching in SD, we've had guys like Richard and Eric Stults (let get away for nothing) pitch pretty well there. Pitching hasn't been one of the biggest issues for the Padres, it's offense and it will be bullpen if they trade away Kimbrel. That's probably why they would target Montas, to make him a closer. If it's safe to assume that the rotation next year will include: - Sale - Quintana - Rodon - Danks They are obviously hoping to get Samrdizia back...I can understand why the White Sox think they can move Johnson (although losing Samardzia, a #2 type starter would hurt the quality of the rotation) given they have in-house candidates to replace Danks after next season (or even during) while the rest of the rotation is young. Sox have a done fabulous job of developing pitching.

No rentals in any deal for any valued prospects; White Sox are probably not going to make the playoffs, any moves made should be for competing in 2016.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 05:57 PM) Yikes. I must say I am a bit confused about the dislike for CarGo but the love for Longoria. Longoria has not been the stud he once was for the last few years. The packages suggested above seem really rich for my blood. Also, the Rays are in a competitive position still. Not sure they would move Longoria for players that aren't mlb-ready at this point. It would be interesting to see what they do; if they have a chance to start stockpiling minor league talent again, given their payroll limitations, it may be tough to pass on that, although I don't really know if he's truly on the market.

A move like that would cost at least 2 or 3 of the top 5 prospects, right? Can the Sox afford to make a move like that? The farm system has improved, but has it that much?

If the White Sox are uncertain of their direction, and that usually leads into a conversation about trading Jeff S, but what would they be looking for if they decide to make a run at a wildcard? Does playing for a 1 game playoff temper the aggressiveness?

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 05:15 PM) I would hypothesize that Shark's value is actually higher today then it was a week ago. The Sox actually have more leverage and other pitchers have moved (and / or never ended up entering the market). Bottom line, I don't know if the Sox really are going to move him, but I think if we moved him today, we'd get more then we would have a week ago. I don't know if I would have predicted that a week ago, but it at least looks that way. And I suppose it could change again in a day. How many pitchers remain on the market that are better than him and/or are not rentals? I don't think his value is any less than it was a week ago, just not sure that it will be that high for a 12 start rental.

Since he is starting tonight, there's no need to trade him until 31st now. The White Sox are probably unsure of their direction (due to their recent hot streak). Whether that's a good thing or not is probably a bigger question than whether they should trade Samardijia.

He's going to start. If he is traded, the White Sox are holding him until the end of the month.

QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 06:09 PM) I'd like to see rest of the way: Finish with at least 81 wins Carlos Sanchez lockdown 2B and Saladino 3B Move Shark and EJ show he can be a 4 or 5. Sale win CY Young This offense get going and finish strong Anyone catch Steve Stone over the weekend say that Saladino, he believes, will be the long-term SS? What would that mean for Anderson?

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 12:40 PM) does anyone think this sounds like a move the sox would do....... i do. Seems unlikely; White Sox typically prefer major league ready talent.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 03:02 PM) They never have detailed it for the media or general public. Hasn't Williams implied that we're in Year 1 of this plan?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 02:48 PM) I want to put something out there, because it seems it isn't as common of knowledge as I thought, but as long as Kenny Williams has been the White Sox GM, and until today, the White Sox have always had a 3 year plan. This isn't a new concept. There have always been stories about writers trying to figure out who is on Kenny's vaunted 3 year board. What is this 3 year plan that Williams mentioned? That's the first time I heard it mentioned. Was Year 1 an aggressive free agent strike then? Any idea what that would mean for this off-season? It sure seems like then went for it this year, and it hasn't worked out (yet). How does resigning Samardzjia (or finding a replacement of similar quality) factor in?

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 01:38 PM) Doesn't this mean they're not very involved in the trade discussions for him? Sounds to me like one of two possibilities. 1) The Cubs will come up as being a destination for any quality/upper echelon starting pitcher because they have a great farm system and need another arm. Who knows what the actual truth is to some of these reports. 2) They are just letting teams know they'd like to be part of discussions, but haven't made any significant offers. Teams aren't going to turn the Cubs away, given the amount of prospects that they have and it doesn't hurt to listen.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 01:36 PM) Schwarber+ is a minimum I assume, though a cursory look at some Cub forums has a lot of their fans thinking it can be done for Baez+ There's no way they are going to trade him. I don't think the Cubs are going to make a major move. I think they are more likely to find a veteran/stop-gap type who would help, but wouldn't cost them a premium prospect.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 11:21 AM) I do like the bad contract swap idea. Danks has been pitching better, but I still think this team is better off with EJ in the 5 spot - so if you can get a bat for him, let's do it. At this point, I'd just be fine with giving Micah Johnson ABs at DH. He'd be a HUGE upgrade to what we're getting there now. The more I think about it, the more I like the idea. Just DL LaRoche, or keep him on the bench for a late inning PH role..he's worthless right now. I don't think that's a horrible idea. Clearly he's ready for the majors as a hitter, but the problem will be that the White Sox view that DH position as a power spot (despite the lack of production La Roche has provided). When the offense is bad, and there's a guy who can help, why not? Does he still project as a 2B or are they considering the OF with him?

QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 10:45 AM) If the Sox are truly back in the Wildcard race, it just proves how pointlessly long the season is, and how utterly meaningless any games before July are. Unless you play like the Phillies, you're never out of the race and no conclusions can be drawn for any pre-July stretch of baseball. I like the 2nd Wildcard, but it does make the 162-game season laughable. On one hand, I hate that the regular season could come down to playing a 1 game wildcard after 162 games, but, on the other, it does add excitement to the season.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 10:33 AM) That is very exciting. Reminds me a lot of Danks 07 season this year. I think he comes back next year and dominates. Good chance that he comes back next season is at least a #3 quality starter, if not a #2 type with upside to being a legitimate top of the rotation starter.