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QUOTE (spiderman @ Jun 14, 2015 -> 06:52 PM) It's going to be difficult to trade him and get top value for him. How many teams have two top 25 prospects, which is what it takes to begin the talks? Would Addison Russell, Kyle Schwarber and 1-2 other prospects (at least 1 in the top 100) work? Obviously, it's difficult to see the White Sox making this type of move with the Cubs, but you'd need something along these lines just to start talks and most teams do not have a farm system that comes close to the Cubs. In other words, options are limited.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jun 14, 2015 -> 06:45 PM) I have no problem entertaining the idea of trading Sale but until an actual value can somehow be determined I really do not see the point. I would not know where to begin. It's going to be difficult to trade him and get top value for him. How many teams have two top 25 prospects, which is what it takes to begin the talks? Would Addison Russell, Kyle Schwarber and 1-2 other prospects (at least 1 in the top 100) work?

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Jun 14, 2015 -> 05:55 PM) I believe that if the Sox are out of it at the deadline not only should they try to bring in some young talent into the system, but I believe that they should be hoping for the highest draft pick possible, that could do some serious wonders for the org. Let me say that I think the team should be in the mix for the division in 2016, but with another high draft pick and what not they could open and prolong their window. Theo Epstein always said that if your team is out of it after the deadline, you might as well hope for the highest draft pick possible. They aren't going to get much for Alexi Ramirez. Who else are you realistically trading? The minor league system is still bad. They do have a nice 3 man lefty rotation next season with Sale, Quintana and Rodon, an all-star 1B in Abreu, but that's about it.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Jun 14, 2015 -> 05:59 PM) The Sox can not do the Cubs did, the fanbase won't allow it. What fan base? You're really going to make decisions around the worst (or bottom rung) fan base in the majors? They don't have one. If they are truly convinced they can win, then fine, trade for Hamels. Make the rotation so strong that they can win every game 4-3 or 3-2.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 14, 2015 -> 05:48 PM) If they traded Sale, it would mean they were overwhelmed. Overwhelm us. And while you're at it, listen on Quintana and Abreu too. Look, if your major league team sucks, you have to infuse the system with assets, and get back in line again. Obviously what they're trying to do isn't working, so they have to try something different even if a few fans don't like it. Exactly. I'm leaning in this direction as elite as Sale is. I realize it won't happen. The White Sox are more likely to continue tinkering around the edges. That could work as well, but I think the Cubs should be a model for the White Sox.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 14, 2015 -> 05:42 PM) Sox fans can't handle a couple of months of bad baseball. They would have a conniption fit if Chris Sale got traded, no matter what the return. Can't make moves based on the 15K fans who show up at games. If the White Sox could trade Quintana, Sale and Abreu, and get back 4-5 top 25 minor league prospects, plus 2-3 others in the top 100, is that enough? Turn into the Cubs pretty much for 3 years, and have a crazy minor league system.

On the other hand, I'd say, if the White Sox management truly believes this team is underachieving, they should trade for Cole Hamels tomorrow.

QUOTE (Real @ Jun 14, 2015 -> 05:14 PM) this was talked about last year. general consensus was no (and I agreed) its a year later. figured its at least worthy of discussion if nothing else with his contract/remaining yrs, what is the proper value for #49 imho you need someone whos got a stud catcher who cant miss as a top priority in the deal as well as a cant miss SP You'd have to get a team's top 4 prospects for him, and at least two of them would have to be top 20 prospects., if not higher. All 4 would have to be top 100 guys. Just too valuable to waste on a team like the White Sox, but can't move him for anything less than ridiculous value. Quintana and Abreu may as well be moved as well if Sale is.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ May 26, 2015 -> 12:53 PM) I think there is an important question. This looks like a .500 team which many of us predicted. But there were other fans who projected 90 wins and are now ranting about everything being wrong. I think the big question is Robin. How big of a problem is he and his staff. If Robin is a big problem then you make minor moves and maybe Shark gets moved since he would be gone anyway. Maybe LaRoche can also be moved but probably as a salary dump with little return. You can't trade Alexei because you probably don't have an adequate replacement. If you want a catcher, the only tradeable assets are probably pitching i.e Q?? But that opens another hole. If Robin is not the main problem, then you need to blow up some more of the roster and continue the rebuild shooting for 2017. Do people believe there would be a 8-10 game difference (81-81 to 90-72) if the White Sox had a different manager? I'm not really a Ventura supporter; he got this position with no experience and because he was a former White Sox player. That sort of tells me the value the team places in a manager. The biggest issues remain even after the off-season where some of these issues were thought to have been addressed. They have received little production or less than anticipated at C, 2B, SS, 3B, LF, CF and DH. The end of the rotation is as bad as expected and even the front-line guys have been spotty at times.

4-7 or 3-8 is probably the two most likely outcomes of this road trip. 5-6 or 2-9 being the next candidates. If this road trip goes the way I think it will, they are likely 10 games out of 1st place by early June. Everyday that goes by means Samardzia has less value with his contract status so Hahn will need to be in a spot where a major decision will need to be made early. It's hard to see the White Sox getting major value for him if they wait until end of July. It's easier to see the team getting good value with a move in early June should the wheels fall off. If the White Sox just tread water, say 5-6 on this road trip, and are 8 games back, what then? The same questions still apply. If Hahn wants to resign a guy who won't talk until free agency hits, do they take that risk? They would get a draft pick back in that scenario (to my understanding). So, a major decision looms

The Sox are not going to be buyers the way things are headed. If anything, they could be an early seller with Samardzia's contract situation.

Too many easy outs in this lineup. Not enough impact hitters.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 24, 2015 -> 10:37 PM) http://www.coolstandings.com/comebacks.asp?i=1 White Sox teams in 1906, 1983 and 1959 among the top 100 greatest comebacks of all-time. On the other hand, a last-place White Sox team on Memorial Day or June 1st has never come back to earn a playoff spot. This year looks to be no different. 8 games behind two very good teams and another surprise team in the Twins. Another depressing year to be a White Sox fan. After an off-season in which the team appeared to address many holes, they still have an offense that lacks impact.

Either the White Sox don't have enough fans to regularly fill the park, or they aren't good fans (insert excuse here for not attending games). I try to go 3 or 4 times a season, probably won't be out there until early June this year, but it's an tiring debate. I do think the front-office tries to win each season, and don't think they can rebuild with a fickle fan base, but I'm wondering, should this season go down the tubes, why not do a Cubs type rebuild? Fans don't show up either way.

QUOTE (flavum @ May 8, 2015 -> 06:18 PM) Eye-balling the radar, I can't blame the Sox for not calling it yet. Got to wait until 8 at least. Wonder if they prefer to wait it out on a Friday night with decent temp's. Also may not be as easy to re-schedule with a NL team?

Safe to say that WSCR won't have Sox games beyond this contract. Not sure if that means the Cubs are coming or not or staying WBBM.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 8, 2015 -> 02:25 PM) Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 51m51 minutes ago Top five rotation ERAs: PIT 2.85, NYM 2.95, STL 3.11, CIN 3.31, TB 3.40. Bottom five: COL 5.59, BOS 5.54, CWS 5.41, TOR 5.40, CLE 5.31. The top 3 (especially Sale and Quintana) haven't gotten it done so far. We knew the top 3 had to pitch like top of the rotation pitchers because the last 2 spots were weak. Add that under performance to the bad defense, base running and offense, and its not hard to see why this team could be headed for 90 wins at the current level of production.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 8, 2015 -> 04:50 PM) Doug Padilla ‏@ESPNChiSox 9m9 minutes ago No Gillaspie vs a right-hander as he deals with what Ventura called "a foot issue." He's expected to play Sat. He also has a "bad issue".

QUOTE (Lillian @ May 3, 2015 -> 02:30 PM) Once Jeff is in demand, after getting on track, and a starter for a contender hits the DL, they can't afford to waste such a good trade asset. Barring a miracle, after today, the Sox will have to go 80 and 60 the rest of the way. The odds are not good on that. Next year, they have got to have all the pieces in place. Use Jeff to acquire 1 or 2 of them. If Jeff would be the final piece, sign him in the off season. His situation is interesting. If the White Sox move him early, they can get more for him since a contending team can get 6-8 more starts from him. If they think (or cling) to a hope that they can go on an extended hot streak, and/or believe they can resign him in the off-season, he can walk with no return and/or a lesser return. Obviously, he appears to be the barometer to what Hahn is thinking.

QUOTE (Lillian @ May 2, 2015 -> 06:25 PM) While it may be too early to become sellers, themselves, it's certainly makes little sense for the Sox to be buyers. Agreed. I don't anticipate any major roster changes for the White Sox in the month of May. They certainly aren't a buyer. It comes down to the current roster turning this around. They are going to need to get hot quickly to have any chance of staying in this race. It's going to need to be 11 out of 13 wins or something like that in May. Playing .500 ball or less, and this team will be 10 or 11 games out, best case, by June 1st.

If the White Sox do fire Ventura, I think Ozzie Guillen is a strong possibility. I'm not endorsing that move, just think it feels like a move they would make.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 2, 2015 -> 01:26 PM) Brewers are officially selling. White Sox are 7 games back, in a division with 2 teams well on their way to playoff caliber seasons. When do the White Sox join the Milwaukee Brewers in that club?

He's going to get more starts until they have no choice but to put him in the bullpen or give him a DL stint for 15 days. He's simply making too much money to not use him.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Apr 10, 2015 -> 03:40 PM) This morning on the "Kap and Haugh" show David Haugh said that Ventura and Molitor have something in common: They are both managing in the shadow of Ron Gardenhire. I thought this was interesting. I'm not one of these people blaming Ventura and I generally think he's fine. I don't think Gardy is a fit though. He would lose his mind dealing with Chicago media every day and he has absolutely no interest in using analytics/metrics. Doesn't seem like a Rick Hahn move. Most likely just dump speculation on Haugh's part. Thoughts? Does Gardy really have no interest in advanced metrics? If so, I wouldn't want him. You have to use everything in this day and age to give yourself advantages. I'm not blaming Ventura, but do wonder if they wouldn't bring Guillen back if they stumbled and make a change there.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 10, 2015 -> 07:32 PM) No not a Sixto Rodriguez album. Building on a NESN article, I researched the last four years....so we have a complete picture of all MLB playoff teams since 2001. Only 3 of 118 teams have made the playoffs following an 0-4 start. 2011 Tampa Bay Rays...0-6/1-8 2011 Milwaukee Brewers...0-4/3-4 2012 Atlanta Braves...0-4/5-4 The 2003 Braves started 1-3/1-4, the 2007 Phillies 0-3/1-6, 2014 Orioles 1-3/1-4, 2012 SF Giants 1-3/1-4 and 2013 Pirates 1-3/1-5. Seven teams from 2011-2014 started 1-3 and still made the postseason. Historically speaking, now, the odds would suggest our chances are less than 3%. Exactly 2.54% to be more precise. Small sample size. I'd be curious how many teams have made the playoffs after 30 games of poor play. If the White Sox, in mid May, are 8-10 games under .500, I'm concerned, but if the Sox are 5-6 after 11 games, that means they turned things around. Way too early for any hard conclusions.